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Thanks for your reply, so maybe i start to used refresh and then waste away, or i used them on the same phase?I've tried and use both. I started down the rabbit hole when I was combatting dinos. I followed the Dr. Tim's formula for treating dinos and it worked extremely well. In his protocol he uses waste away and another bacterial community called re-fresh. I really liked what these did with that tank. I think refresh is more like vibrant and waste away is more suitable for continuous dosing. They have a slow release waste away gel too.
I use vibrant on another system, and from time to time on that system. I could be wrong, but my impression is that the Dr. Tim's products are more focused on biofixation of nutrients, where as vibrant (and perhaps re-fresh) are microbial communities that specifically consume algae as a food source.
Maybe @DrTim could weigh in. I love all three products. I really was surprised to see how far the hobby has come in terms of microbial additives. These are NOT snake oil.
What about dr tim products? Have you try them?I've only tried Vibrant, and it's been relatively effective in keeping the glass clean (or cleaner).
I followed the dinoflagellate treatment protocol on the dr. tim website, whcih included a blakcout, then re-fresh, then waste away. I now routinely dose waste away and every now and again i dose with refresh.Thanks for your reply, so maybe i start to used refresh and then waste away, or i used them on the same phase?
My LFS doesn't carry any, so no - I haven't yet had a chance to try any.What about dr tim products? Have you try them?
Hi guys, i have a newbie question here, is it vibrant and dr tim waste away have the same function? Thx for kind answer
I use both. I think vibrant is better at actually eating algae. Could be wrong.Vibrant will kill Chaeto, etc. I use Vibrant and it's fantastic. I'm sure Dr Tim's would work as well.
I don't believe waste away is designed to eat algae but rather compete with it and eat phosphate and nitrate sources before they become available for algae.I use both. I think vibrant is better at actually eating algae. Could be wrong.
Similar goal. Vibrant has a bacteria that may eat algae so and has a tiny bit of vinegar. I am not sure if vibrant is refugium safe because of this, or if people just starved nitrate and phosphate out with it
So should i dose them on the same time? Or i use refresh first and then waste away?Haha I forgot to mention, if you do go with refresh, it looks like you're straight up dumping mud water into your aquarium. It's only a capful per ten gallons, but...it looks like muddy water. I'm not brave enough to smell it.
It depends what you're trying to address! What's happening in your tank? I did both because I was following the instructions for treating dinos.So should i dose them on the same time? Or i use refresh first and then waste away?
Honestly, I'm not completely sure! I don't run a refugium so I probably ignored that part when reading the instructions. He has very detailed instructions on his website.So it is safe to say that dr tim’s products is safe for refugium?
So it is safe to say that dr tim’s products is safe for refugium?
Brightwells MB7 is the same as waste aways says BRS. PLus much cheaper to use! Ony 5 mls per 20 gallons If only I could figure out the brightwell equivalent to refresh. I killed my dinos before with MB7, vibrant and I think peroixe and uv.
I really wasnt noticing much of a difference until I added the uv but I kept doing water changes which is a no no!
I have them again but I know Vibrants int sold by any magor retailers anymore because they say its just fluconazole and has no bacteria in it like they claimed it did. It is available on amazon though.
Similar goal. Vibrant has a bacteria that may eat algae so and has a tiny bit of vinegar. I am not sure if vibrant is refugium safe because of this, or if people just starved nitrate and phosphate out with it