Just purchased a used aquarium and need BASIC PLUMBING HELP PLEASE!!!

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I haven't gotten back into the hobby for YEARS, but saw an opportunity for a beautiful 180gallon semicircular acrylic with stand on craigslist locally, and had to get it. I'm inventorying everything, trying to figure out what the previous owner did and did incorrectly, and reading everything I can get my hands on, so I can (re)do the plumbing, and learn a thing or two along the way.

INVENTORY:
-A 180 gallon Aquariumsource semicircular tank, canopy, and stand, with 6 holes drilled at the top. 4 Drain holes, 1 7/8" diameter and 2 Return holes, 1 5/8" diameter. A couple of prominent scratches on the front. Not deep but long.

PROPOSED: I already own Novus 1,2,3 (for another hobby), so will use to buff out scratches.
Should I an orbital buffer or is the risk of damage too great, hence just use elbow grease?

What kind of material should I use to buff the Novus 3 in?

-Canopy with two Sunpaq Retrofit Lighting Kits installed, either Model #1601, 1602, 1603, 1604, 1606, 1611, 1612, 1613, 1614, or 1615. Unsure which bulbs. Will figure this out later. Way low on priority list. Just listing it here for my own personal organization.


FILTER/SUMP:
-A ProClear Model 400 Sump w/o Prefilter, 43"x13"x13" (max volume 31.4 gallons), with labelled fill line corresponding to 7" height, or 16.9 gallons, rated at up to 400 gallons, flow rates up to 1600gph.

ANALYSIS: Estimating tank (180g) plus sump (app 16g) plus lines (app 4g), gives total volume of about 200g. Running at 3-5x volume per hour through filter would mean desired flowthrough of about 1000gph (allowing for real world inefficiencies). Also, by geometry of this tank, 6.11 gallons per inch of height, the max sump capacity above normal fill line give reserve sump excess capacity of about (31.4g-16.9g=) 14.5g, which translates to 2.4" height above the drain/return lines, in case of power outage and the water flows back (actually there's more room because this doesn't take into account volume displacement due to aquarium contents/decorations, but I want a rough idea to avoid mishap). However, looking at the tank, I need at least 4" aquarium height excess capacity of water that the sump can hold in case of power outage, which translates into 6.11gallons per inch x 4"= 24.44, call it 25 gallons of excess capacity. Max sump capacity is 31.4g, so that means only about 6.5 gallons to the fill line, to maintiain reserve, which translates to only a paltry 2.7 inches allowable fill line height for the sump!

So, in order to maintain enough reserve volume in the sump to accomodate the volume of water that will flow down to it by gravity effects via the drains in the event of a power outage, while still having enough water in the show tank itself to actually conceal the water line to a viewer, one must have a sump that only has a depth of 2.7 inches... which might not be enough for the submersible pumps anyway... Hmm, is my logic flawed here?

PUMPS:
-One Rio 600 (163gph @ 1ft) (I think for the Coralife UV sterilizer, below).

-One Rio 20HF, rated at 1290gph, functional.

-One Rio 32HF, rated at 1920gph, very much dead (impeller FROZEN in. My guess is that, given the numbers and if my math is correct, the previous owner at some point had BOTH pumps hooked up, vastly exceeded the rate of the drains, got the sump low volume enough that it burned out, probably flooded the main tank, ****** the family off, and sold the tank. To me.).

ANALYSIS: For the goal of 5x circulating volume, I need 1000gph circulation. From what I've read on calculating head pressure for submersible pump in a sump: height needed is 4.67ft, divided by two for gravity effects of filter assisting on intake side=2.335ft. Return tubing ID 0.75" adds about 1' for every 90degree turn (one in this case)=3.335ft. There is no reduction along the return line in diameter, which would otherwise further boost head pressure in my case. The return is about 0.2ft beneath the waterline in the main tank, adding another 0.2ft to the running total=3.535ft, plus a 2ft safety fudge factor, leaves me with about a 5.5ft head pressure. I'm trying to get 1000gph flow between TWO return lines, hence TWO pumps, each needing 500gph (this builds in some redundancy in case one of the pumps fail). Looking at Rio's flow charts, it looks like 500gph @ 5.5ft is right in the middle of the Rio 26HF flow curve (with some excess capacity built in in case I need to drive the tank on just ONE pump due to failure. So I think I should purchase TWO Rio 26HF pumps to drive the Return in this tank to get the numbers I want (and hold onto the salvaged Rio 20HF as backup).

EXTRAS:
-One Coralife Turbo-Twist 6x 18 watt UV sterilizer, rated at 200-400gph, for up to 250gallon tanks. Never used one of these before. Have no idea how to work in into system. I think this was driven by the Rio 600.

-One Red Sea's Berlin Skimmer (I think "Classic", not "Hang-on" model), including a Red Sea Skimmer Pump, whose specs are illegible on the label. Never used one.

ANALYSIS: I have NO idea where and how to work these into my system. Never used them, and it's obvious they go with the sump. Just not sure how.

Now this is where I start needing LOTS of HELP:
-Various plumbing stuff:
(1) Bulkheads. Appears previous owner(s) used Schedule 40 bulkheads instead of Schedule 80, though the holes drilled into the acrylic tank appear to be for Schedule 80. The four DRAIN bulkheads are 1" ID. The two RETURNS are 0.75" ID. have All the lines were with clear vinyl. The four DRAIN BULKHEADS are ID 1", with both flange and base SLIP. The two RETURN BULKHEADS are ID 0.75", with both flange and base SLIP. At least I think they are all SLIP at the base, because all have SOLID PVC STUMPS STILL CEMENTED IN (sawed off at the base of the bulkhead, which apparently was necessary to break down and transport the aquarium).

ANALYSIS: Get new bulkheads that correspond to the drilled holes in the aquarium. That is, four 1" SCHEDULE 80 bulkheads for the drains (requiring 1 7/8" aquarium holes), and two 0.75" SCHEDULE 80 bulkheads for the returns (requiring 1 5/8" aquarium holes), NOT schedule 40 (though schedule 40 interfaces for the rest of the plumbing should work just fine and connect to the schedule 80 bulkheads withouth difficulty).

Also, I would strongly prefer NOT to PVC cement pipes in, in case I need to adjust, so get FLANGE AND BASE ALL THREADED ON ALL BULKHEADS. Is this a good idea, or am I inviting leaks?

When screwing PVC into threaded bulkheads, do I need to treat the threading with sealant ( http://www.laco.com/productDetail.aspx?ProductID=121 ie Plasto-Joint Stik plastic thread sealant for example)?

Does silicone aquarium sealant have any role in bulkheads (not silicone lubricant for gaskets, which seems to be controversial)?

(2) Tubing. Previous owner went with clear vinyl tubing (1"ID Drains; 0.75"ID Returns), and looked to have some serious sunlight exposure, as the tubes are coated with algae on the inside. Yuck.

ANALYSIS: Will use FLEXIBLE (OPAQUE) PVC for all flexible tubing needs.


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(3) Return Line. Both Return lines have "FLO" brand schedule 40 valves cemented to 6" of vinyl tubing on one end, which appear to be where the submersible pumps connect, non-unioned. The other end of the valve, in the direction of the flow, is connected to 4'10" of vinyl tubing, then connected to a "3/4in Adapter" of PVC, then to a 3/4" "Compact Ball Valve," solvent connected on either side, then to approx 3" segment of PVC, then a right angle PVC, then PVC sawed off, presumably from the bulkhead.

All connections appear to be solvent (into the bulkhead with solid PVC, and with the Ball Valve), OR Hosebarbs secured by Plastic Hose Clamps.

The previous owner had the two RETURNS as follows:
Pump> .75"SlipxMNPT Adapter > 0.75"FNPTx0.75"Hosebarb+Clamp > 6" of 0.75"ID clear vinyl tube > 0.75"Hosebarb+Clampx?0.75"MNPT+cement? > ?FNPT-CheckValve-FNPT? > ?0.75"MNPT+cement? x 0.75"Hosebarb+Clamp > 4'10" of 0.75"ID clear vinyl tube > 0.75"Hosebarb+Clampx?0.75"MNPT+cement? > ?FNPT-"0.75Adapter"-?0.75"Slip+cement > cement+3" of 0.75" PVC+cement > 0.75"BallValve(150psi) > 3" of 0.75" PVC+cement > 0.75"RightAngle > 4" of 0.75"PVC > (cut) cement+0.75"Bulkhead w/Base Slip, Flange FPT.

ANALYSIS: Will use UNIONED pieces wherever possible, so they can be removed and serviced as necessary without having to redo the entire line.

Are UNIONED Check Valves, Ball Valves, and Gate Valves all available?

Keep check valves as close to the output of the submersible drains as possible, so that in the case of failure, almost the entire volume of the vertical line can be used as a reservoir to help keep sump from overflowing (though this puts more strain on the check valve).

As FLOW CONTROL is necessary from the RETURN LINE, use GATE VALVES instead of BALL VALVES at RETURN LINE. Is this right?

Also, avoid HARD PVC right angles whereever possible as it significantly increases head pressure against the submersible pumps, so use FLEXIBLE PVC when making the horizontal turn into the bulkhead, secured with SCREW tip adapter to screw into bulkhead. Is this even available?

Does Hosebarb work with flexible PVC?

Should one use Silicone Sealant or PVC Cement or neither in MNPT to FNPT connections, or just teflon tape/stick sealant as above?

PROPOSED: Pump> .75"Slipx.75"MNPT > 0.75"FNPTx0.75"Hosebarb+Clamp > 6" of 0.75"FlexiblePVC > Cement+DualUnionCheckValve+Cement > 4'10" of 0.75"FlexiblePVC > Cement+DualUnionGateValve+Cement > 6" of 0.75"FlexiblePVC > 0.75"Hosebarb+Clampx0.75"MNPT > FNPT Base of Schedule80 0.75"Bulkhead. Note to self: GET SUPPORTS FOR RETURN LINE TO MINIMIZE STRAIN ON BULKHEAD!

Anything wrong with the LAST connection of a horsebarb+clamp then male npt screwed into the bulkhead?
Is there better way to screw in the flexible PVC to the bulkhead?
Or is it preferable to cement+slip fit (permanently) into the bulkhead?

(4) Drain Line. Right off the bulkhead on the back of the tank, there are rigid PVC columns above the level of the drain hole on the tank, open on the end, presumably to minimize gurgling noise as the water drains down the rigid PVC.

The previous owner had the four DRAINS as follows:
Schedule40 1"Bulkhead w/ BaseSlip and FlangeSlip > cement+4" of 1"PVC+cement > 1" T of PVC, vertically oriented. Above, 10" of 1" PVC+cement open to atmosphere (see above paragraph). Below, > cement+1"PVCx1"FNPT adapter > 1"MNPTx1"Hosebarb+clamp > 4'9" of 1" ClearVinylTubing > 1"Hosebarb (secured by IDEAL Stainless Steel Marine Clamp) x 1"MNPT?+cement > FNPT?-1"PVCRightAngleElbow-FNPT> MNPT-1"PVC Bushing. Note the ELBOW TO BUSHING connection takes place THROUGH a 1 5/16" opening in the lid of the trickle filter, with a gasket in the screw joint between the elbow and the bushing. There was a fair amount of creep on the lid around all four sites where the elbow and gasket(topside of the lid), joined the MNPT Bushing underneath the lid.

ANALYSIS: I need to find a better way of getting the 1"ID PVC through the 1 5/16" hole in the lid of the trickle filter without creep. Perhaps using a coupler instead bushing on the underside of the trickler filter lid? Perhaps using a flat rubber gasket instead of ring? Any ideas?

Need a Double Union BALL Valve somewhere here in case of shut down. Flow control not as much an issue for DRAIN as it is in RETURN, so ball valve better here, placed low preferably, once again as in the RETURNS, to maximize the volume of water contained in the line, thus minimizing the risk of overflowing the sump should need arise. No role for check valve (that I'm smart enough to figure out, anyway).

PROPOSED: Schedule80 1"Bulkhead w/ Base FNPT, Flange FNPT > 1"MNPT x 1"PVC+cement > 1" T of PVC, vertically oriented. Above, 10" of 1" PVC+cement open to atmosphere. Below, > cement+1"PVCx1"FNPT adapter > 1"MNPTx1"Hosebarb+clamp > 4' of 1" FlexiblePVC> cement+DualUnionBallValve+cement > 1' of 1" FlexiblePVC > 1"Hosebarb (secured by IDEAL Stainless Steel Marine Clamp) x 1"MNPT?+cement? > FNPT?-1"PVCRightAngleElbow-FNPT> MNPT-1"PVC COUPLING.


Finally, where should I order this stuff? I'm thinking Savco.com, but have no experience in these matters.

Thanks for tolerating all my thinking out loud(?) here. It helps me figure out what to do.

Any recommendations on this system that I should implement at THIS stage to accomodate the skimmer/UV, please let me know (otherwise I'll tackle them later as an add on)!

Thanks for any advice (especially regarding the best way to get watertight yet reversible FNPT to MNPT connections!
 
Update.

Well, in case any beginners are reading this and following along...

My biggest concern was that my sump would not be enough to handle to overflow in case of power outage. I was estimating a shortfall based on the height of the lowest drilled aquarium hole, which is vaild as long as that is the lowest open point for water to flow down to in the event of a power failure. But one I have bulkheads PLACED and a right angle attachment to the drain line with filter, well, then the lowest open point for the drains become the height of the top of the right angle attachments to the drain bulkheads. If THAT'S the case, I only need to accomodate TWO inches of water, not four, translating to about 12.2 gallons. The sump is about 28 gallon capacity, but will have about 15.6 gallons running, which leaves a 12.4 gallons reserve. Not much clearance, but it's there, and suggests that whoever indicated the proper level for the tank was doing their homework.

I cut and paste my proposals here to Savko, to see what they come up with for PVC plumbing options.

Once I get that, then I'll place an order and start working on those scratches.

Still don't know what fabric to use when I buff in the Novus. I've decided not to use an electric buffer as my concern of damage the tank is too great. Elbow grease is safer. And I could use the exercise.
 
Any recommendations for heaters?

Any good advice on heaters?

From what I've read, titanium seems to be the way to go due to the lack of corrosion. Also, given that heaters can either overcook or undercook your tank, I read somewhere that it is better to get two minimally adequate heaters rather than one VERY adequate one, because with two, should one of the heaters either fail or overheat, it won't be enough to get the temperature to the danger zone, and one would have time to respond.

Any advice on brands?

Or how about a Ranco Controller?
Or ReefKeeper Lite controllers?

Also, I read about 5 watts to the gallon (so about 1000 watts for my setup). Any opinions on that?
 
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Any good advice on heaters?

From what I've read, titanium seems to be the way to go due to the lack of corrosion. Also, given that heaters can either overcook or undercook your tank, I read somewhere that it is better to get two minimally adequate heaters rather than one VERY adequate one, because with two, should one of the heaters either fail or overheat, it won't be enough to get the temperature to the danger zone, and one would have time to respond.

Any advice on brands?

Also, I read about 5 watts to the gallon (so about 1000 watts for my setup). Any opinions on that?

I've personally used Jager heaters for the 5 years I've been in the hobby and have had no issues thus far. I would also suggest 2 smaller heaters over one big heater for the exact reasons you mention.

Welcome back to the hobby! I'll take a read through everything else and see if there's anything I can help on.
 
Orbital polisher is fine or a drill with a buffing pad found at home depot... Foam pads work extremely well also or the best is micro mesh kit nc-78....;) I know a little something about acrylic lol.... "20yrs exp." you sound like you got a big project ahead of ya... Good luck on the build and welcome to r2r!!!!!! Post some pics so we can be more help...;)
 
Thanks luvmyacans. Since you posted, I added on a question about controllers (Ranco or Reefkeeper Lite). Any opinions on those? That way, I can dig out some of my old heaters, which I wouldn't trust otherwise, but use the external controller to regulate when they go on and off. From what I see, there's no reason to get a Ranco when one can get a Reefkeeper Lite for about the same price, and have an expandle system that can control darned near everything...
... though at this point I'm only interested in temp control.
 
Troylee:
Thanks for the advice. I have a car buffer in my garage that I received as a present some time ago, but never took out. I think it comes with a buffing pad and a foam pad. Keep it on the low setting, right? Not too much pressure, and KEEP MOVING AROUND, right? Is it okay if it isn't a random orbiter?
 
Thanks luvmyacans. Since you posted, I added on a question about controllers (Ranco or Reefkeeper Lite). Any opinions on those? That way, I can dig out some of my old heaters, which I wouldn't trust otherwise, but use the external controller to regulate when they go on and off. From what I see, there's no reason to get a Ranco when one can get a Reefkeeper Lite for about the same price, and have an expandle system that can control darned near everything...
... though at this point I'm only interested in temp control.

I currently run a ReefKeeper Elite on my system but used to run a ReefKeeper Lite, the only reason I upgraded was because of the limited amount of modules you can use with the Lite. So far I haven't had any issues and have found it fairly easy to program and definitely reliable. For the price you really can't beat the basic Lite system, that's for sure! Another system to check out is the Apex, a lot of people use them as well but I don't believe they have a system comparable to the RKL.
 
You wouldn't happen to be an engineer would you? :bigsmile:

You make my "what is this thingy" posts look sad.....
 
Well, in case any beginners are reading this and following along...

My biggest concern was that my sump would not be enough to handle to overflow in case of power outage. I was estimating a shortfall based on the height of the lowest drilled aquarium hole, which is vaild as long as that is the lowest open point for water to flow down to in the event of a power failure. But one I have bulkheads PLACED and a right angle attachment to the drain line with filter, well, then the lowest open point for the drains become the height of the top of the right angle attachments to the drain bulkheads. If THAT'S the case, I only need to accomodate TWO inches of water, not four, translating to about 12.2 gallons. The sump is about 28 gallon capacity, but will have about 15.6 gallons running, which leaves a 12.4 gallons reserve. Not much clearance, but it's there, and suggests that whoever indicated the proper level for the tank was doing their homework..

You also have to figure in the water inside the skimmer because if the power goes out some of the water will go back into the sump, not much but when you're as close as you are, I wouldn't chance it. I would get a bigger sump.
 
You also have to figure in the water inside the skimmer because if the power goes out some of the water will go back into the sump, not much but when you're as close as you are, I wouldn't chance it. I would get a bigger sump.

I MIGHT. My calculations didn't take into account the thickness of the tank itself (so I overestimated display tank volume by a bit), nor the displacement effect from whatever I put into the tank). So I think at THIS point I'm going to stick with the sump, but the FIRST think I will do once plumbing and decorations are in, will be to run a power outtage simulation and see what happens. My initial backup plan though is to install a safety overflow into the sump itself, rather than buy a whole new sump. I put enough fudge factor into my initial numbers that I think I'll be okay...
... but won't know for sure until I try it out. It's clearly in the right neighborhood as it stands, however.
 
Note to self:
Make backdrop with integrated shelves/caves from black pond foam and eggcrates.

Decided to do this after seeing this:
YouTube - Black Pond Foam Aquascape in a 110 gallon salwater aquarium Part 1

I sent an email to the creator, reproduced here, with response:
> "Hi! I saw your youtube video of the aquascaped black foam background and I\'m thinking of doing this with a freshwater cichlid tank. I\'m thinking of laying out an eggcrate backing, with zip tie secured small fragments of PVC to create caves at various heights, also securing a few small horizontal shelves of eggcrate, then spraying with the black foam.
> Any tips? Are you still happy with it? Any problems with plecos munching away at the foam or does it dry HARD?
>
> Thanks a lot for the idea! "
"Glad I could inspire
you. I did not use eggcrates but that sounds like a good idea to make
the shelves. I sanded the back of the tanks glass to make it ruff so the
foam would stick better. I just used PVC to make my shelves and I used
aquarium safe silicone to glue the pipes to the bottom of the tank for a
sturdy structure. You can use the silicone to attach the eggcrate to the
backwalI. I waited 24 hours for the silicone to to dry before I started
with the foam. This was a 110 gallon tank and it took 5 cans of black
foam to do it. Make sure to calculate when you spray the foam it
expands. None of the fish have bothered it and it is still attached
after being up and running for 2 years now. Hope this will help and feel
free to reply if you need any other questions answerd. "
END MESSAGE.

I think what I'm going to do is use eggcrate the dimensions of the back wall, zip tie pieces of the now unused old vinyl tubing to create caves and tunnels along the surface as well as guaranteed caves on the bottom, silicone some slate to the bottom with some stone along the bottom edge to weight it all down (foam is buoyant), then use vertical layers of egg crate and slate to create shelves along the vinyl tubing holes. Finally, cover it with a few layers of black foam, and voila! Not just caves, but a veritable NETWORK of tubes. Circulation COULD be an issue, but we're talking low volume in these tubes, so I am not very worried about it.

At this point, I have a confession to make: I'm going to go freshwater/African cichlid with this tank FOR NOW, but want to retain the possibility of changing to marine in the future. I'm treating this is as test run with the equipment before converting to salt anyhow. Cichlids like hard water, so the stone choice isn't as big an issue. They like to dig, they like caves. So I have slate to line the very bottom of the tank, which will be covered by 1-2 inches of pea gravel (so that when the cichlids dig it up, they'll get to a slate bottom, and not an unsightly acrylic bottom.

Freshwater tanks also benefit from UV, so I'll be giving that a try once I am up to speed. And I'm not sure how helpful skimmers are, but I want to give that a whirl for the first time in this setup (so to speak) as well. This will be a more forgiving environment than to go right to marine/reef to get my ears wet (again, so to speak).

At Home Depot, I found 4 cans of black foam, but I think I'll need significantly more (Fosters & Smith after writing this), silicone aquarium sealant, and a ton of zip ties. I purchased a fair amount of eggcrate and pea gravel there as well. At a local landscaper, I just purchased about 150lbs of slate today, too.

So today, while watching football, I'll be assembling the back panels (I'm going to do it in two panels) for the tank backdrop, featuring a foundation of caves, and a network of tunnels/caves of various heights, with multiple shelves at the entrances, in preparation for a black foam spraydown. During the curing process, I'll put real stones (slate and local grown limestone (cichlids like basic, so careful in saltwater with this...) around the foundation of caves for stability and to counter the foam buoyancy.

Last night, I used Novus polishes (1,2, and 3) with a buffer and got a BEAUTIFUL surface on the tank. Took out some fairly deep scratches that at some point this tank had suffered. Now it's gleaming.

Also placed the Savko order (added on some stabilizers to take the weight of the flexible PVCs off of the bulkheads, to minimize the risk of leakage)... ouch.

Now... off to Fosters and Smith. Have to choose the heaters. And will also get the ReefKeeper Lite device, so I won't have to worry as much about heater malfunction.

And, at Fosters and Smith, buying TWO 250w Eheim Jagers (thanks, luvmyacans), which SHOULD cover 316 gallons, according to the website, which will give me backup in case of failure since I'm estimating about 200gallons to this system. And also two Rio 26HF pumps.

Since going freshwater, for now, will get some large African driftwood, too. Will hopefully keep the pleco munching off the black foam backdrop to a minimum. Could have purchased prefabbed backgrounds from Foster/Smith for comparable price to the black foam, but I really want to see if I can make a backdrop tunnel network... I'll keep everyone posted as to how it goes.
 
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