Live food feeders/ cultivators???????????????????????

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Anybody feeding live food to your reef whether it be for the fish or the corals please share what your doing. Rots, brine, mysis, pods, phyto etc................... Please share how you cultivate and how you feed. If you dont any disscussion on the subject is also very welcomed. Is it worth the trouble? Thoughts?
 
I don't but I can imagine it would be beneficial if you're keeping picky eaters like mandarins or pipefish. Great thread, gonna keep an eye on this one.
 
I'll share, Ive been cultivating copepods in a 5 gallon and adding a shot here and there. The Tisbe variety, while small really do reproduce quite rapidly. Nothing special I just keep em in green water with an airline and they do the rest. Ive crashed the culture a couple times but its not a big deal to restart. Is it worth my time and do I see any huge difference in my tank? Not really but its fun and it drive my wife nuts having green bottles bubbling in the house. Id like to try some other cultures too. Im also really interested in feeding on a timer one day. Cant wait to hear others ideas.

Luvmyacans-----Thanks
 
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This is an old pic of my operation. Ive since went with a little smaller tank and im a lot more effecient at growing phyto. LOL, yes its in the laundry room, it adds to the driving the wife nuts plan.
 
Anybody feeding live food to your reef whether it be for the fish or the corals please share what your doing. Rots, brine, mysis, pods, phyto etc................... Please share how you cultivate and how you feed. If you dont any disscussion on the subject is also very welcomed. Is it worth the trouble? Thoughts?

I use to buy copepods for my tank for my mandarin. I never really tried culturing but there are a few people on R2R that do and sell. Just seemed like a lot of work to try it on my own.
 
I'll share, Ive been cultivating copepods in a 5 gallon and adding a shot here and there. The Tisbe variety, while small really do reproduce quite rapidly. Nothing special I just keep em in green water with an airline and they do the rest. Ive crashed the culture a couple times but its not a big deal to restart. Is it worth my time and do I see any huge difference in my tank? Not really but its fun and it drive my wife nuts having green bottles bubbling in the house. Id like to try some other cultures too. Im also really interested in feeding on a timer one day. Cant wait to hear others ideas.

Luvmyacans-----Thanks

It that drives the wife nuts then you should build one of these or at least show her and then your setup won't bother her that much...:xd:

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In the past I've cultured brine (fed my animals fully grown enriched brine as well as newly hatched artemia), cultured rotifers, as well as bactioplankton. All three of those endeavors didn't seem to have enough benefit to justify the amount of work required to do it.

I currently culture phyto (tetraselmis and nanochloropsis). I feed live blackworms (they are an awesome food source for even the pickiest eaters) and I recently acclimated three mollies and a half dozen guppies to my saltwater tank. I'm always searching for the most ideal food. In the wild, it's my understanding that the majority of a fishes diet consists of smaller fish (whole smaller fish - including bones, organs, oils, etc...). I believe that many of the foods we feed our fish are lacking many of those essential oils and trace elements like ca, vit D, omega fatty acids, etc... With that in mind I went searching for a food that would contain those necessary elements. Blackworms contain a great deal of omega's and protien as well as being a live food that fish actively pursue due to the wriggling the worms do when dropped into the tank. Once they taste them the fish are hooked!! The LPS seem to love blackworms as much or more than the fish. My tubastrea now has extreme polyp ext all day and all night since I've started feeding it some blackworms every now and then.

I tried culturing the blackworms and had a set up in which I was able to maintain healthy specimens with little effort, but their slow reproductive rate couldn't keep up with how much I feed. I feed about a full ounce of live blackworms every day (to my fish and LPS) and I'd need to have about 15lbs of live blackworms to reproduce fast enough to keep up with that demand. Now I just buy a months worth of worms from a friend who owns a fish store and keep them in the fridge.

As for the mollies and guppies, they are both fish which can easily tolerate acclimation to a saltwater environment and if anyone has ever had a FW tank with mollies and guppies then you likley know how easily and quickly they produce fry. Their fry are a spectacular source of food and as close to a natural diet (that I can currently provide) that my fish would get in the wild. Of course they don't reproduce quickly enough to keep the reef animals nutrition sustained without supplemental feedings, but it's one more available option of a high quality food source that they are being provided.

I should also mention I have a 400 gallon tank with another 300 gallons of water throughout the rest of the system. Having a few mollies and guppies doens't impact the bioload of my system in any significant amount that having them in the tank doesn't offset the benefit of the live fry.

A final thought on the subject of live food. When properly maintained, we can create a very diverse ecosystem with our reef tanks. To do this, we (almost always) need to create a large refugium so the microfauna and macrofauna can reproduce. These microfauna and macrofauna are critical in the health and well being of a stable reef type ecosystem. They recycle waste and can allow us to create a complete food pyramid for all types of reef animals. What most people overlook is the need for providing a stable food source to the animals at the base of this food pyramid. Phytoplankton and POM is rich in natural reefs but often lacking significantly in our aquariums. That's why I dose large amounts of phytoplankton and zooplankton all throughout the day. I only culture nano and tet as far as phyto so I do supplement with packaged iso and other species of phyto to provide a wide range of food for the tiniest critters. Those tiny critters are a food source for larger critters and so on. Eventually that food chain becomes diverse enough to provide a significant amount of live food for my fish and corals that I care for so much. Providing those basic food sources to the bottom of the food pyramid is key!!

J
 
I'll share, Ive been cultivating copepods in a 5 gallon and adding a shot here and there. The Tisbe variety, while small really do reproduce quite rapidly. Nothing special I just keep em in green water with an airline and they do the rest. Ive crashed the culture a couple times but its not a big deal to restart. Is it worth my time and do I see any huge difference in my tank? Not really but its fun and it drive my wife nuts having green bottles bubbling in the house. Id like to try some other cultures too. Im also really interested in feeding on a timer one day. Cant wait to hear others ideas.

Luvmyacans-----Thanks

Can you provide a bit more detail. I've got lot's of questions and would like to try this since I culture phyto already.
What species of phyto do you feed them?
Where do you get them to begin with?
How do you seperate them from the water to feed to the tank (I'm sure the water get's polluted with their wasted and adding the whole works to the tank would be detrimental in some way)?
Does the process require light?
How do you manage temp?
Can you just explain your process a bit better with more detail. I'm intersted!!

J
 
In the past I've cultured brine (fed my animals fully grown enriched brine as well as newly hatched artemia), cultured rotifers, as well as bactioplankton. All three of those endeavors didn't seem to have enough benefit to justify the amount of work required to do it.

I currently culture phyto (tetraselmis and nanochloropsis). I feed live blackworms (they are an awesome food source for even the pickiest eaters) and I recently acclimated three mollies and a half dozen guppies to my saltwater tank. I'm always searching for the most ideal food. In the wild, it's my understanding that the majority of a fishes diet consists of smaller fish (whole smaller fish - including bones, organs, oils, etc...). I believe that many of the foods we feed our fish are lacking many of those essential oils and trace elements like ca, vit D, omega fatty acids, etc... With that in mind I went searching for a food that would contain those necessary elements. Blackworms contain a great deal of omega's and protien as well as being a live food that fish actively pursue due to the wriggling the worms do when dropped into the tank. Once they taste them the fish are hooked!! The LPS seem to love blackworms as much or more than the fish. My tubastrea now has extreme polyp ext all day and all night since I've started feeding it some blackworms every now and then.

I tried culturing the blackworms and had a set up in which I was able to maintain healthy specimens with little effort, but their slow reproductive rate couldn't keep up with how much I feed. I feed about a full ounce of live blackworms every day (to my fish and LPS) and I'd need to have about 15lbs of live blackworms to reproduce fast enough to keep up with that demand. Now I just buy a months worth of worms from a friend who owns a fish store and keep them in the fridge.

As for the mollies and guppies, they are both fish which can easily tolerate acclimation to a saltwater environment and if anyone has ever had a FW tank with mollies and guppies then you likley know how easily and quickly they produce fry. Their fry are a spectacular source of food and as close to a natural diet (that I can currently provide) that my fish would get in the wild. Of course they don't reproduce quickly enough to keep the reef animals nutrition sustained without supplemental feedings, but it's one more available option of a high quality food source that they are being provided.

I should also mention I have a 400 gallon tank with another 300 gallons of water throughout the rest of the system. Having a few mollies and guppies doens't impact the bioload of my system in any significant amount that having them in the tank doesn't offset the benefit of the live fry.

A final thought on the subject of live food. When properly maintained, we can create a very diverse ecosystem with our reef tanks. To do this, we (almost always) need to create a large refugium so the microfauna and macrofauna can reproduce. These microfauna and macrofauna are critical in the health and well being of a stable reef type ecosystem. They recycle waste and can allow us to create a complete food pyramid for all types of reef animals. What most people overlook is the need for providing a stable food source to the animals at the base of this food pyramid. Phytoplankton and POM is rich in natural reefs but often lacking significantly in our aquariums. That's why I dose large amounts of phytoplankton and zooplankton all throughout the day. I only culture nano and tet as far as phyto so I do supplement with packaged iso and other species of phyto to provide a wide range of food for the tiniest critters. Those tiny critters are a food source for larger critters and so on. Eventually that food chain becomes diverse enough to provide a significant amount of live food for my fish and corals that I care for so much. Providing those basic food sources to the bottom of the food pyramid is key!!

J


Oh yeah, almost forgot. My largest and most significant live food culture is aiptasia. I can't grow enough of it!!! LOL!! That's only because I need them to feed my berghia cultures though. LOL!!

J
 
I'm not up and running yet... getting REAL close, my rock gets here on Sat. However, I am kindof basing my stock selection based on their ability to provide a live food source. I am planning on having at least 2 different fish that spawn (hopefully every 3-4 weeks) and a harem of sexy shrimp that will spawn every 10 days (again, hopfully). I will also have a fuge to culture pods.

I know this won't provide all the nutrition needed, hoping it will help to provide a high quality food supplement. I will definately be keeping my build thread up to date with the success.
 
Can you provide a bit more detail. I've got lot's of questions and would like to try this since I culture phyto already.
What species of phyto do you feed them?
Where do you get them to begin with?
How do you seperate them from the water to feed to the tank (I'm sure the water get's polluted with their wasted and adding the whole works to the tank would be detrimental in some way)?
Does the process require light?
How do you manage temp?
Can you just explain your process a bit better with more detail. I'm intersted!!

J

Berghia, first of all thanks for your posts. Your thoughts are exactly what I was looking for. Any detail about any of your endeavors would be awesome. I would like to give some black worms a try soon. As far as the copepods I just use reef pods (Tisbe), I've crashed a few cultures so Ive got them from a couple different places, Marine Depot and Ebay to name a couple. Its really pretty simple, i just use a small 5 gallon tank (I dont need any bigger cause they're just for me, I dont sell them but I will give a bottle to local reefers on occasion). I use nanochloropsis and pretty much treat my tank just like I would my phyto bottles. They use the same light source even. The only time Ive had the pods eat the phyto faster than it can reproduce is if the lights malfuntion and dont come on and then the water will go clear pretty fast. The Tisbe species is a pretty small pod that reproduces very rapidly once they take off. When I feed the tank I use a shot glass and just suck them off the glass with a turkey bastor and feed a shot at a time with phyto being sure not to suck any waste off the bottom of the tank. They hang out in pretty large groups and you can suck quite a few up at once. I also keep a sieve on hand(cant remember what size, sorry) that I use when I change the culture water. I try to change the culture water atleast once a month. I think if I had a tank as large as yours I would just use the sieve to get larger numbers and then you can ever back wash then into your tank with either fresh salt water or phyto. As far as temp, I do nothing for temp. The copepods are pretty tuff little suckers as long as you change the water once in a while and be sure not to stir up the nasty waste on the bottom. I hope I covered all your questions, please let me know if you have any more.
 
I'm not up and running yet... getting REAL close, my rock gets here on Sat. However, I am kindof basing my stock selection based on their ability to provide a live food source. I am planning on having at least 2 different fish that spawn (hopefully every 3-4 weeks) and a harem of sexy shrimp that will spawn every 10 days (again, hopfully). I will also have a fuge to culture pods.

I know this won't provide all the nutrition needed, hoping it will help to provide a high quality food supplement. I will definately be keeping my build thread up to date with the success.

I think spawning fish and shrimp are a great idea for food in a reef. What fish were you thinking?
 
My tank is on the small side at 45g, so I am planning on a pair of neon gobies and a pair of b & w ocellaris clowns. I would love to try a pair of mandarins since they spawn nightly, but don't know if i will have the pod population in a 45 to sustain them. Maybe I will have to take up pod cultivation... ;)

I have read up on their behaviors and spawning regularity on MOFIB quite a bit and these seem like they are the best candidates for my set up without too much worry about agression. That is also where I got most of my information on Sexy shrimp. Thinking of having 2 males and 4 females. Hopefully one female will always be gravid.
 
Nice I didnt know about the sexy shrimp. Ive always just kept one. I was thinking about pairing up my mandarin and my Bangai. My black and white ocellaris have been acting like theyre gonna spawn for over a year but it just never happens. Good luck with yours, maybe you can come back and share your experiences here.
 
I definately will. From what I read it takes a couple years for the clownfish to start spawning so realistically if I get a pair that will probably not happen for a while. The gobies and shrimp are much quicker. As are mandarins if you can sustain them.

You should check out the write ups on MOFIB if you are interested about pairing up your shrimp. It discusses sexing them.

I thought about bangai, they were something I was considering early on... I can't remember why I x'd them off this list.
 
aquaph8

With your pod culture are you culturing the nano in the pod culture tank or are you just feeding the tank some live cultured nano every so often??

If you're culturing the phyto at the same time (in the same vessel) how often are you adding a new dose of fertilizer? Do you get much nuisance algea growth by having a light over the culture vessel??

I think I may try this with some tigger pods from reef nutrition but I'll likely keep the tank unlit and just keep it dosed with freshly cultured nano and tet. I've just got to look into a bit bettter and make sure tigger pods can feed on those species of algae since some copepods cannot feed on larger species of phyto like nano and tet.

J
 
I'm culturing phyto to feed my copepods to feed my mandarin (which I've trained to eat frozen). I plan to start on weekly bbs feedings starting next week.

CJ
 
aquaph8

With your pod culture are you culturing the nano in the pod culture tank or are you just feeding the tank some live cultured nano every so often??

If you're culturing the phyto at the same time (in the same vessel) how often are you adding a new dose of fertilizer? Do you get much nuisance algea growth by having a light over the culture vessel??



I think I may try this with some tigger pods from reef nutrition but I'll likely keep the tank unlit and just keep it dosed with freshly cultured nano and tet. I've just got to look into a bit bettter and make sure tigger pods can feed on those species of algae since some copepods cannot feed on larger species of phyto like nano and tet.

J

Berghia,
I culture my phyto in 2 liter bottles and just tint the water with phyto. I tint it pretty green though and my lights keep it growing so I dont have to add anymore than I take out. After I add it to my culture tank I wont add any fertilizer to it. I only add fertilizer to my actual phyto cultures. I get no algae at all in the culture tank, so far atleast. I tried some bigger unidentified isopods from reefs2go once but didn't notice any increase in numbers. The Tisbe multiply rapidly so thats what I stuck with. I never tried tigger pods so let me know how it goes.
 
I'm culturing phyto to feed my copepods to feed my mandarin (which I've trained to eat frozen). I plan to start on weekly bbs feedings starting next week.

CJ

CJO, I've been thinking about bbs for a while. Do they get eaten pretty fast once introduced to the tank or will they live and breed? I've kinda shy'd away from Brine cause I heard they can wipe out other cultures and im scared of cross contaminating.
 

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