Multiple Dwarf Angels?

[Calebb8133]

I have a 72bow with one flame angel, two clowns, one neon damsel, one Royal dottyback, one melanurus wrasse and a sailfin blenny in QT no Coral but one anemone. I am planning on getting a sailfin tang and another medium sized fish. I was wondering if I could do another dwarf angel? Maybe a little bigger than the one I have now? Mine is pretty territorial but maybe I can take him out and put him in a net breeder thing and after a week or so when the other dwarf angel is settled down I can let him back in? My flame is about 2-3 inches so if I get one almost full grown would that work?

 

[nereefpat]

Mixing or even pairing dwarf angels can be done in certain circumstances. A 72 bowfront might make it tough, especially if the flame has been there for a while.

What kind of dwarf angel are you thinking? Or are you wanting a pair of flames?

PS, the sailfin tang will get way too big for a 72 bowfront.

 

[Calebb8133]

Mixing or even pairing dwarf angels can be done in certain circumstances. A 72 bowfront might make it tough, especially if the flame has been there for a while.

What kind of dwarf angel are you thinking? Or are you wanting a pair of flames?

PS, the sailfin tang will get way too big for a 72 bowfront.

Yes ik about the sailfin if he gets to big I will get rid of him, I appreciate the input on that but litteraly everyone on this forum has told me that so ik, thank you though

 

[Calebb8133]

Mixing or even pairing dwarf angels can be done in certain circumstances. A 72 bowfront might make it tough, especially if the flame has been there for a while.

What kind of dwarf angel are you thinking? Or are you wanting a pair of flames?

PS, the sailfin tang will get way too big for a 72 bowfront.

As for what kind of angel I as thinking a bicolor or pigmy something along those lines?

 

[Mike1995]

Yes ik about the sailfin if he gets to big I will get rid of him, I appreciate the input on that but litteraly everyone on this forum has told me that so ik, thank you though

Honestly that's messed up. I suggest listening to people on here. Lots of knowledgeable saltwater hobbyist etc. Why buy a fish that gets huge and then get rid of it? That'd be like going and buying a great Dane or something and just "get rid" of it once its full grown. If you can't properly care for an animal please don't own it. Ive been keeping many types of freshwater fish for 10 years now and I can't tell you how many times I've seen people buying big huge cichlids and sticking them in tanks that are too small. Same goes for saltwater. Big fish need big tanks. :mad::mad::mad:

 

[mattzang]

pretty sure 72 is too small to do multiple angels

maybe you could do a flame pair? @OrionN

 

[Jesterrace]

Sound advice has been given here. Mixing dwarf angels is a really bad idea in a 72 gallon particularly when you aren't adding them at the same time. Flame Angels tend to be one of the more aggressive Dwarf Angels to boot. My Coral Beauty Dwarf Angel is a near model citizen but a mirror next to the tank and it goes nuts trying to attack it's reflection. Not saying it couldn't work, I'm just saying the odds of success are certainly much lower than the odds of failure in that case.

I also agree with what has been said on the sailfin Tang. The problem is that too many people use the same logic and many of these beautiful fish end up stuck in a local fish store holding tank (which they are already way to big for) and just end up dying because few can handle or want the fish at that size. A 72 is barely big enough to handle a Tomini Tang long term (smallest Tang in the hobby that maxes out around 6 inches in length). A Sailfin gets 15 inches in length and about as tall, not to mention it is a very active and can be an aggressive fish to boot. So you won't even get it to half size before you have to give it away. Furthermore trapping and removing a fish is never an exact science and it is very stressful on both the fish and the owner.

 

[ylreefer]

Agree with the info you've been given so far mate. I'd just stick to 1 angel to be honest. It's not worth the risk. Also the Bicolour angel can be a real difficult one to feed. I've had 3 in my years and was real lucky to get them to feed.

I'd suggest looking at some of the other just as nice colourful fish options that would happily go in your tank and get along with everything you have.

Can I just add that the OP has acknowledged he's aware of the Tang issue in his second post so maybe we should just give him a break. We all make mistakes in this hobby and the fish is still alive. I would consider maybe swapping him out sooner rather than later though. This woukd be better for both of you imo. [emoji6]

 

[Calebb8133]

Honestly that's messed up. I suggest listening to people on here. Lots of knowledgeable saltwater hobbyist etc. Why buy a fish that gets huge and then get rid of it? That'd be like going and buying a great Dane or something and just "get rid" of it once its full grown. If you can't properly care for an animal please don't own it. Ive been keeping many types of freshwater fish for 10 years now and I can't tell you how many times I've seen people buying big huge cichlids and sticking them in tanks that are too small. Same goes for saltwater. Big fish need big tanks. :mad::mad::mad:

I had a sailfin Tang in this tank for 10+ years and he was very healthy and about 8". I am not trying to be rude to anyone and I appreciate everyone's input but I have thought about it and if this one gets to big I can trade him in for a smaller one. Don't worry. I have gone through this so many times on this forum. I almost didn't want to mention it because I knew even though I said something people will get upset. Ik what I am doing, when it comes to that fish ;P

 

[Calebb8133]

Agree with the info you've been given so far mate. I'd just stick to 1 angel to be honest. It's not worth the risk. Also the Bicolour angel can be a real difficult one to feed. I've had 3 in my years and was real lucky to get them to feed.

I'd suggest looking at some of the other just as nice colourful fish options that would happily go in your tank and get along with everything you have.

Can I just add that the OP has acknowledged he's aware of the Tang issue in his second post so maybe we should just give him a break. We all make mistakes in this hobby and the fish is still alive. I would consider maybe swapping him out sooner rather than later though. This woukd be better for both of you imo. [emoji6]

Thank you for your manners and understanding

I just want to let everyone know I that I care about the health of my fish just as much as they do I had great success with my sailfin in the past. He was fat and healthy loved to chase me everytime I walked pasted the tank and got along with the other tank mates very well

Now as far as the angel is conserned I think I will pass it sounds like... I don't want to pair them up because, while they r very pretty, I want something different and it doesn't sound like I could have great success with that in this size tank

Who knows I may upgrade if my Tang gets to big

 

[BestMomEver]

Honestly that's messed up. I suggest listening to people on here. Lots of knowledgeable saltwater hobbyist etc. Why buy a fish that gets huge and then get rid of it? That'd be like going and buying a great Dane or something and just "get rid" of it once its full grown. If you can't properly care for an animal please don't own it. Ive been keeping many types of freshwater fish for 10 years now and I can't tell you how many times I've seen people buying big huge cichlids and sticking them in tanks that are too small. Same goes for saltwater. Big fish need big tanks. :mad::mad::mad:

Many reefers do that. I have a 60 cube and know full well that my tank isn’t big enough for any full grown tang. But, I like them and need something that will keep algae down. I have a yellow tang and a scribbled Rabbitfish. Both are really small (less than 3”) but when they get bigger, I am gonna take them back to the LFS and trade them for something tiny. If you are diligent and know what is appropriate for your tank, there is no reason for not returning (or placing) a fish when it gets too large to be comfortable. I appreciate the fact that the OP knows the tang will get too large and is prepared to do the right thing. Maybe I’m the exception but I know people return fish for all kind of reasons. I don’t see why this is a problem.

 

[BestMomEver]

Thank you for your manners and understanding

I just want to let everyone know I that I care about the health of my fish just as much as they do I had great success with my sailfin in the past. He was fat and healthy loved to chase me everytime I walked pasted the tank and got along with the other tank mates very well

Now as far as the angel is conserned I think I will pass it sounds like... I don't want to pair them up because, while they r very pretty, I want something different and it doesn't sound like I could have great success with that in this size tank

Who knows I may upgrade if my Tang gets to big

As for the angels.... I have a Pygmy angel in a tank with a Clarkii Clown and a dottyback. He is not bullied at all. He stands his ground and is not afraid. He is nearly full grown at 2” long and is bold as ever. I’m afraid of what might happen if you put two angels together. I guess it’s hit and miss. Certainly, the larger the tank, the better your odds are. I had two potter’s Angels in a 500 gallon. Each stayed on their half of the tank and had strict boundary lines. I’m not sure I’d try it. If you do, let me know how it goes. I love dwarf angels!

 

[4FordFamily]

Mixing or even pairing dwarf angels can be done in certain circumstances. A 72 bowfront might make it tough, especially if the flame has been there for a while.

What kind of dwarf angel are you thinking? Or are you wanting a pair of flames?

PS, the sailfin tang will get way too big for a 72 bowfront.

This exactly. I wouldn't do it in a 72 with an established flame angel. If you were to try it, it would need to be very different. I am not convinced it would work in this case at all.

Sailfin get enormous and pretty quickly, I would do a yellow, scopas, or perhaps purple tang instead.

 

[4FordFamily]

Sailfin tangs can grow from 2" to 5-6" in as little as a year. I've seen this twice in the past few years. A 4" tang has essentially outgrown a 4 foot tank, IMO. I know it doesn't sound like you want to hear that, but I figured I'd share this with you in hopes you'll find it helpful.

 

[Oshengems]

If the flame already claimed his territory i won’t suggest adding another one, even adding them together in a 75g is a challenge because of the space, I Mixed a coral beauty with a flame on my 75g and was good but the coral beauty was becoming a brat, currently have a potters and Multibar in a 75g from other angles I’ve had in the pass the potter seems to be the layback dwarf only graze

 

[BestMomEver]

Sailfin tangs can grow from 2" to 5-6" in as little as a year. I've seen this twice in the past few years. A 4" tang has essentially outgrown a 4 foot tank, IMO. I know it doesn't sound like you want to hear that, but I figured I'd share this with you in hopes you'll find it helpful.

+1. I just borrowed a trap for my tang and Rabbitfish. At 3” they are getting too large to both be in a small tank like mine. I’d like to have a tomini or a purple. I’ll have to see what’s out there. I have a sort of formula for tangs.... 1 inch of tang per foot of real estate..... to a point. After 300 gallons, it doesn’t seem to matter. But my tank is only 2’ wide so a three inch tang is too big. I get teeny tiny ones and Keep them for about a year.

 

[Calebb8133]

Sailfin tangs can grow from 2" to 5-6" in as little as a year. I've seen this twice in the past few years. A 4" tang has essentially outgrown a 4 foot tank, IMO. I know it doesn't sound like you want to hear that, but I figured I'd share this with you in hopes you'll find it helpful.

Thank you and I understand everyone's concern what I don't understand is that the sailfin I had was like 10 years old here is a pic

At the time I took these pics the file fish I had was kinda fighting with him so his sails were up

 

[OrionN]

Flame Angels are dimorhpic so you can tell a male from female/juvenile. You can add a female to your tank and she will be fine with the establish fish. Two females or male and female will be fine just don't put two males in that small of a tank. They will kill each other.
Make sure the new fish is eating well and healthy. She may get chase and nipped a little from the establish fish (male or female) but it will be fine after a few days. If you add a male on male, there will be a hell bend to exterminated. In larger tank with plenty of rock, the weaker male will eventually turn back to be a female, but not in confined space of a 72 gal tank.
120 gal with a lot of rock is the minimal I have heard of male reverted back to female.
I have a pair of Flame angels in my 65 gal tank at different times. They spawn all the time. I got a video of them online somewhere.
Regard tangs, Sailfin does grow very fast. A small Sailfin Tang in a 72 gal tank is stunned tang, but I guess one can argue that none of our aquarium tang reach their potential size in the wild mean that they are all stunned tangs. I had Sailfin tang when I first keep reef aquarium but have not have one in 30 years. IMO, they get too huge, like the Naso tangs.
My 65 gal tank also have a PBT that was emaciated and barely 2 inches, full of ich when I put him in there. He grew to over 6 inches and was re-homed in my 320 gal home tank in about 6-7 months. When I removed him from my 65 gal tank, he was a picture of health and fat, far cry from when he first went in, arrived from LiveAquaria.

 

[Stigigemla]

I have read about a 65 gallon tank with 12 different Centropyge in it without problems. That OP said it was fights when they were 2- 3 but the more they were the less the fights.
But I would say the fishes do much better if they have space enough to maintain their own territory.

 

[Calebb8133]

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I have read about a 65 gallon tank with 12 different Centropyge in it without problems. That OP said it was fights when they were 2- 3 but the more they were the less the fights.
But I would say the fishes do much better if they have space enough to maintain their own territory.

e neon damsel I have looks similar to the flame angel in shape and when I first introduced the flame they fought for like a week until territory was set.