Nitrate additive.. thoughts?

[mrpontiac80]

I have a 180 gallon mixed reef. Livestock, some rock is about 3 years old but was transferred from my 65 gallon earlier this year. So the 180 has been running for 9-10 months.

Ever since the transfer, my nutrients have been low. ( nitrate below 4 ppm). Lately my phosphates have been rising and are now about .1 ppm. I’m perfectly fine with this but I feel like the nitrate should be higher because of this.

Over the last month I have noticed some corals loosing color that they have had for quite some time. But seem to be doing well otherwise. I have also noticed some small patches of cyano showing up.

I dose all for reef and have since the setup. It’s on a doser and everything has been very stable. I just sent off a new icp test this morning.

I bought some nitrate additive from an lfs a while ago but have not used it yet. Has anyone used this brand? Thoughts or comments on it? Do I even need to raise nitrate?

Open to any thoughts or comments on the matter!

this coral lost the yellow tips

This coral went from a dark gold to yellow/green

 

[BairCorals]

I've always been told to try and keep the 100:1 ratio no3o4. So if you have .1po4, you should have 10no3, idk how true this is, as mine have been 30no3 and .1po4 and haven't had any issues to speak of. Maybe try and bring po4 down instead?
Did you change lights when you upgraded tanks?

 

[mrpontiac80]

I've always been told to try and keep the 100:1 ratio no3o4. So if you have .1po4, you should have 10no3, idk how true this is, as mine have been 30no3 and .1po4 and haven't had any issues to speak of. Maybe try and bring po4 down instead?
Did you change lights when you upgraded tanks?

I’ve heard that too. Honestly I’m not too concerned about the levels so much as the ratio between the two. As for lights, I just added onto them and using a par meter, lowered everything by 50% or more and increased 3% every 4-5 days to get where I wanted it. I have had zero issues since the transfer until now. but I honestly think it’s the increase of phosphate While my nitrate stayed low. I’d like phosphate around the .08-.1 ppm area.

 

[John K]

This ratio thinking is misapplied. It means nothing as long as there are the nutrients available. Don’t take it from me, this info is out there…

 

[Uncle99]

Nitrate might be a hair low but if the system runs stable at that number then not overly concerned. Hobby grade test kits ballpark at best, so your 3 can be also 5 or 0.

To ensure it’s not zero, you can bump nitrate to 10ppm and leave phosphate if it holds steady day in an day out.

Haven’t used that brand but there are many.

 

[jda]

What do you want to achieve with more of a surplus of nitrogen than no3 at 4 already has?

Without knowing the concentrations of what is in that product, you could raise potassium, calcium and other things, or not. hard to know without knowing. Making your own solution out of a known product is better.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Thst product is likely ok to use until it is gone, but if potassium nitrate is the most abundant ingredient (listed first) then I’d switch to food grade sodium or calcium nitrate. The risk of rising potassium should not be ignored unless it is carefully monitored.

 

[mrpontiac80]

This ratio thinking is misapplied. It means nothing as long as there are the nutrients available. Don’t take it from me, this info is out there…

I really don’t stress about it. I used to as I was starting the hobby but not anymore. My observation has been that the corals changing color and some slight cyano started as my phosphate started rising. I know I can lower it but thought raising nitrate might be a better option. I don’t really think I need that 1:100 ratio but at the same time I I don’t want to try a 1:1 ratio either

 

[mrpontiac80]

What do you want to achieve with more of a surplus of nitrogen than no3 at 4 already has?

Without knowing the concentrations of what is in that product, you could raise potassium, calcium and other things, or not. hard to know without knowing. Making your own solution out of a known product is better.

Really didn’t know it could raise other things.

 

[mrpontiac80]

Thst product is likely ok to use until it is gone, but if potassium nitrate is the most abundant ingredient (listed first) then I’d switch to food grade sodium or calcium nitrate. The risk of rising potassium should not be ignored unless it is carefully monitored.

Thank you. I didn’t realize it could raise other things.

 

[PotatoPig]

Thst product is likely ok to use until it is gone, but if potassium nitrate is the most abundant ingredient (listed first) then I’d switch to food grade sodium or calcium nitrate. The risk of rising potassium should not be ignored unless it is carefully monitored.

If I’m trying to add calcium and raise nitrates would I be right in thinking Calcium Nitrate would do both? Or is it not that simple?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

If I’m trying to add calcium and raise nitrates would I be right in thinking Calcium Nitrate would do both? Or is it not that simple?

Sort of. Calcium nitrate is a balanced calcium and alk additive since nitrate consumption adds alk. Same ratio as kalkwasser.