Plumbing tips, tricks and knowledge.

[shred5]

Getting ready to plumb my Invert, fish and coral breeding/propagation system.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/s...al-propagation-and-aquaculture-system.462665/

I have plumbed my many systems but wondering if anyone had any tip, tricks or plumbing knowledge to share?

Looking for some new ideas.

Anyone have pictures of their plumbing?

 

[JumboShrimp]

Is your tank drilled (how many holes?)
Tank dimensions?
Will you have a sump below your tank?
:)

 

[143MPCo]

Getting ready to plumb my Invert, fish and coral breeding/propagation system.

I have plumbed my many systems but wondering if anyone had any tip, tricks or plumbing knowledge to share?

Looking for some new ideas.

Anyone have pictures of their plumbing?

Pipe Dreams: The In’s & Out’s Of Aquarium Plumbing
By Reef News, Nov 1, 2015 | 8.2K Views | Aquarium Equipment

https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/pipe-dreams-the-in’s-out’s-of-aquarium-plumbing.29/

You have a lot of options now-a-days when it comes to plumbing an aquarium and that can make the task a bit overwhelming. There are quite a few different solvents, glues, primers, fittings, piping, and sealants all with their own particular purpose. To complicate that a little more each one has its advantages and disadvantages for applications in our aquarium builds. In this article, we will attempt cover some of the different types of plumbing needs you will face, as well as the tips and tricks to assist in making plumbing decisions a bit easier.

Tools:

• Hacksaw
• Painters tape (more on this in later)
• Black marker or sharpie
• Ratchet action PVC pipe cutter (well worth the small investment)
• Measuring tape
• Miter saw (this is more of a nice to have)
• Pliers (two if you have them)
• Rubber hammer

You are only as good as your tools!

Let’s face it, you’re going to need tools at some point. The list above is basic for the most part. A hand operated hacksaw will make quick work of cutting a section of PVC; however, the ends will need to be cleaned up, and you might not always get a flush cut. Why do you need a flush cut? It’s simple really. It maximizes the contact space and allows for proper seating of slip-on fittings. Wrapping the PVC at the location you need to cut with painters tape is a trick I use to give me a “straight” 360° guide line around the PVC when using a hacksaw.

If you want a less manual way of cutting PVC, first measure the sections and mark it (fine point sharpie is best), then a Ratchet Action PVC Pipe Cutter makes quick work of it (proper placement is needed to ensure a flush cut).

Now let’s say you have a really big plumbing job…your friend and time-saver is—and always will be—a miter saw. It’s going to all but guarantee you a flush cut each and every time—the bonus being that the ends will be nice and clean and ready for “dry-fitting”…Did he just say dry-fitting? Yes, I did! I dry fit everything. You might be asking yourself “why dry fit?” …and the answer will come the first time you have to redo a section completely because it was too short, or too long, or it leaks…then you will understand why you should dry fit. I will be the first to admit that dry fitting is a pain. You’ll need a set of channel locks pliers to pull fittings apart and sometime a rubber hammer for the overly stubborn pieces, but the end result is more than worth it.

Take the time to do it right!

Piping:

• Vinyl Tubing
• Breaded Vinyl Tubing
• schedule 20, 40 and 80 PVC
• flex PVC

All types of pipes…

When it comes to plumbing your aquarium, there are different types of piping you can choose from.

Vinyl Tubing

Vinyl tubing is a soft and very flexible tubing for plumbing your tank. It comes in many colors, but the 2 most common are clear and black. Vinyl is very easy to work with and very easy to cut. Usually, vinyl is the easier way to plumb your tank, but there are downsides such as kinking, hardening over time, and unsightly buildup on the inside (when using clear). Connections for vinyl pipe are usually barbed fittings.

Flexible PVC

PVC stands for polyvinyl chloride. It’s a very good choice for plumbing our aquariums. It holds up very well and there are countless fittings for just about any need you may have. Fittings for flexible PVC require a solvent glue to hold them together. When done correctly, the bond between fitting and pipe is very strong and leak-proof. Benefits of flexible PVC include the ability to bend it around objects and make sweeping turns instead of direct 90° turns with rigid PVC along with its vibration absorbing guano ties. A recent product is now out called “superflex” PVC which is the same as the flex PVC but much more flexible.

Rigid PVC

Rigid PVC is made from the same polyvinyl chloride as the flex PVC above. This is the type of pipe you will find in many home plumbing systems. It comes in different “strengths” for lack of a better term known as schedules. There is schedule 20, 40, and 80. 20 being the “weakest” with the thinnest walls and 80 the strongest with the thickest walls. Like flex PVC the rigid PVC is solvent welded at joints of the fittings. With rigid PVC you can get a nice clean look to your plumbing, with the availability of so many fittings the possibilities are endless. One negative about the rigid PVC is that it is…well…rigid, which can limit you a little and make you use more fitting than you may need with flex PVC.

Fittings:

You have an overabundance of available fittings, 90° & 45° elbows, 90° & 45° street-T, standard 3 & 4-way Tee’s, caps, couplers, unions, and the list goes on and on. These type of fittings are normally all considered “rigid” PVC and come in schedule 40, and 80 in slip x slip, slip x thread, and thread x thread. The slip type is meant to be primed and glued together, while the threaded type is meant to be used with pipe thread sealant and (contrary to popular belief) NOT Teflon Tape! The key with pipe thread sealant is to note that it reads for “potable” drinking water. Back to fittings, I personally make every attempt to stay away from 90° elbows when I need to change the direction or the path the water needs to take, this means a little more cutting and gluing but aids the flow of water in the corners reducing back pressure. I like 45° PVC Street elbows instead in the corners.

One thing I notice on a lot of builds is the lack of unions and ball valves. The reason I like them is that they are helpful for disassembly and to cut off water in whatever direction you might need to. Unions in particular are a fitting that I think are underused. If you need to remove a section of PVC (clogged with snails, sand, or some obstruction) and don’t have a union/s, your only course of action is to cut it out and glue a coupler to reattach the sections together. One more thing on ball valves, cheap ones are “ok,” but they can be very hard to turn and even more so when the inner workings have calcium deposits coating them. I prefer Cepex ball valves for a few reasons: 1) they are durable, 2) they are adjustable, and 3) come with both slip and thread interchange ends.

Like ball valves, gate valves have a similar function (cutting off the water), but gates allow you to more precisely turn the flow down or up. They have an internal wall (gate) that moves up and down as opposed to a ball that spins the water’s flow off. Most skimmers use a gate valve on the output to precisely raise the water level inside the main chamber. Gates are more costly so should be considered only for an application that requires precision flow control.

So what’s a bulkhead? They’re used to create seals on the flat area of a hole that has been cut in an aquarium. Once installed, you can use a threaded connector, slip (glued in place), or a barb connector. Depending on your application, you will either be using standard duty ABS or schedule 80, note that the outside diameter is larger for the SHC 80 ones, so they are not interchangeable. Both bulkheads are for sealing against a flat surface, and while they might work on a slightly curved one, it’s better to use “uniseals” for curved applications like brute trash cans. Pay close attention to the required hole size that will be cut out to ensure a water-tight fit.

So many fittings…so many sizes…

Connections:

When connecting your plumbing either to a bulkhead, pump, or to itself, you must make sure to choose the appropriate fittings and connections for the piping you are using. Connections include unions, 90° fittings, 45° fittings, couplings, etc.

Connections for vinyl tubing are also known as barbed fittings or nipples. These are pieces that fit inside of the vinyl tubing and have barbs to hold them in place. Be sure to choose the correctly sized barbed fittings for the vinyl tubing you are using. These should fit snug and may take a little effort to fully insert into the tubing. Take note that you may need to clamp your tubing to make a stronger connection that will not push or fall off. Remember we are dealing with saltwater which does not mix well with metal. It may take a little searching, but they make plastic clamps for vinyl tubing which hold up better and are safer for your tank. These come in many colors with grey and white being most common.

Use the right connection for the job.

When connecting both flex and rigid PVC, you will need to use PVC fittings. These fittings slide over the outside of the PVC and are glued using PVC glue to hold them to the pipe. Again make sure to use the correct sized fittings for the pipe you are connecting to. These fittings will be tough to slide over the PVC while dry, but will push in pretty easily once you apply the glue to make your final bond. While flex PVC may seem to be able to be connected using barbed fittings like vinyl tubing, it is not meant to be clamped and will more than likely fail and leak.

When connecting your plumbing to pumps and in some cases bulkheads, threaded connections are needed. Most pumps and bulkheads use NPT (national pipe thread) fittings. You will also see abbreviations such as FNPT (female national pipe thread) and MNPT (male national pipe thread). Female threaded fittings have the threads on the inside of the fitting and male threaded fittings have the thread on the outside. Note that when using threaded bulkheads the threads on the outside are not NPT threads and are ONLY for the bulkhead nuts, to thread into a bulk head you will need a male threaded connection.

Female fitting on the right. Male fitting on the left.

Tips and Tricks:

• Use a good set of Channel Locks to removed stubborn dry connected fittings.
• Tape a line around the section to be cut will help guide you when using a hand saw.
• Prime, glue, push, twist, and hold for a 5 count.
• 45° cut your drain ends into the sump to aid in reducing back pressure.

Windup:

To say that you have endless ways on how any aquarium can be plumbed is quite true. Each of the methods come with distinctive advantages as well as disadvantages, but the best option might just be a combination of a few different ones to make it work for your particular needs. Sitting down to draw out a sketch will be the single biggest advantage, as it will help you with selecting the right components needed before you get started and can save you a lot of time and money. I dry fit everything (not the most popular way to layout plumbing), but once you have glued something, it’s permanent and cutting it out and redoing it is an even less popular option and why I chose to dry fit. The best part is that when it’s all said and done, and it’s working as you expected it to, your fish, coral, inverts, and nosy neighbors won’t care about the plumbing choices you made.

Welcome to the obsession and happy reefing!

If you’ve got questions about plumbing, or would like to share some of your plumbing knowledge, we’d love to hear from you on the R2R DIY subforum.

 

[cromag27]

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[shred5]

Is your tank drilled (how many holes?)
Tank dimensions?
Will you have a sump below your tank?
:)

Oops I thought I had included a link to my build.
Redid the original post with link to my build.

 

[shred5]

Anyone else with plumbing tips or pics of there plumbing?

I will share a few of mine:


Always use proper glue. Make sure you use transition ABS to PVS glue when necessary.

When primer is necessary use it and it can be had in clear to make things look better than the purple.





Use unions when ever possible.
It makes removing a section for repair, cleaning or changes much easier. You may end up with a leaky tank and need to remove it fast.


When using a ratchet PVC cutter bevel the ends of the PVC pipe.. The PVC cutter causes the PVC to flare some making it harder to fit right. You should really always do it makes it easier and a better fit.

I know people use Teflon tape but a thread sealer like posted above is better. I used Teflon tape for years no issues but I have seen others bulkheads split. This also could be from over tightening.


PVC pipe can get old and brittle so do not use really old pipe.

Make sure you actually glue the pipe. I have heard of so many forgetting one joint or something or thinking it will hold without glue. sounds silly but it happens, most people in the hobby are not plumbers.
I know someone who used aquarium glue for the joints and it held for a while till disaster hit.

 

[Erica-Renee]

Buy more Fittings.. You never buy enough and you always NEED That one fitting you put back on the shelf and thought you did not need.. I promise

 

[143MPCo]

Buy more Fittings.. You never buy enough and you always NEED That one fitting you put back on the shelf and thought you did not need.. I promise

100% Agee!

 

[JumboShrimp]

My wife made me “promise” to keep all the Lowe’s and Home Depot receipts for all the million-and-one extra unused PVC parts, and “return” them. Sure, Honey. (Lol!)

 

[Erica-Renee]

My wife made me “promise” to keep all the Lowe’s and Home Depot receipts for all the million-a-one extra unused PVC parts, and “return” them. Sure, Honey. (Lol!)

I just toss them in a Bin in the back of my work van ..

 

[theMeat]

Are you putting an overflow box in each aquarium, or going more industrial with just pipe?

 

[shred5]

Are you putting an overflow box in each aquarium, or going more industrial with just pipe?

This overflow below is going on the 120 and is on a separate sump.

This overflow is going on the frag aquarium and the two 20x20x16 aquariums.

The three 15 gallon aquariums I am building an internal over flow myself.


The other system (breeding) shown in my other thread will just be standpipes with screens.
This will be done later in the winter or spring. This system will be done more cheaply. It will be a 2x4 rack and not nice shelves like the current system.

The first system above was originality going to be it and was designed to look really nice.

 

[JumboShrimp]

Keep us posted; we love photos :)

 

[shred5]

Keep us posted; we love photos :)

Build thread right here with lots of photos.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/s...al-propagation-and-aquaculture-system.462665/

 

[dugthefish]

Always have extra couplers, there will probably be a time when you need to lengthen or shorten a pipe. And leave at least 2 inchs of bare pipe between any fittings, just in case something needs to be adjusted so you can still reuse expensive unions and valves.

 

[Even Further]

I like the flex PVC, less solvent welded joints, and smooth pipe turns. Heating it up with a heat gun helps to form it to the desired shape. I also bent rigid PVC into a U-shape for an over the top return, (packed with sand and heated it up). With no loc line, the return flows a pretty good amount. And the way it terminates just below the water line, it minimizes the drain back to the sump when the power is cut, and no check valve.

Also used a Y tee instead of a standard tee, to split off the return for the manifold.

 

[theMeat]

^
Y is better, spa flex better, cooking pipe for bend awesome
Good work!