possible bad batch of salt?

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Hi Randy & other experienced reefers,

I had a major issue in a clients 8 year old established 225g reef tank where he lost all of his fish within 10 days. Only thing that changed with this client is we just mixed a brand new batch of instant ocean salt in my clients mixing containers (Spectrapure RODI unit with recently replaced filters - 0 TDS reading currently, 10 tds MAX before I replace), and the introduction of 1 clam and 1 bubble coral. We've also been using IO for quite a long time. I've factored it down to being a bad batch of salt, but don't have a clue what could be in it that would cause fish death. Weekly I do a 20g water change and service this tank. After my first water change with the new batch of salt, within a few days, a target mandarin dragonette died. I didn't think much of it, just figured he was old and it happens sometimes. Fast forward 7 days and an Orange Diamond Goby and a blue green chromis die. My only two thoughts are the introduction of the clam and bubble coral and the new batch of salt - no other factors have been altered or changed with this system. I haven't dealt with introduction of a fish parasite on a coral, and there were no signs of ICH or Velvet on any of the fish. So I proceeded with my water change regimen, but bump it up to 35 gallons this time thinking it may help. After my second water change with the new batch I immediately noticed heavy breathing, gils were inflamed and puffed out and within minutes our 12" vlamingi tang was swimming upside down, all other fish were in a lackadaisical state, almost hiding in the shadows as if the light was irritating their eyes.

During the second water change (35 gallons) when I noticed immediately after adding the new salt water in, that the fish were heavily irritated by the new water, I rushed to my shop and picked up our own IO salt (this client has their own mixing bins and RODI unit, which is all kept in doors in its own room, no one touches it besides myself). I've done 2 - 60 gallon water changes with my shops water, added a huge amount of carbon, and I only have 2 fish left. Things seem to be stabling out, but my issue is what in the fresh salt mix could have caused this. I've also lost a couple pieces of SPS but I think that is because the fluctuations and the larger water changes were drastic. If you can please help me or possibly shed some light It would be much appreciated. Thank you

Levels:
Nitrate - 0
Calcium - 400
Alkalinity - 8.3
Magnesium - 1350
ph 8.1-8.3
1.025 salinity both tank and mixing container

Equipment:
2 ASM g2 protein skimmers
BioPellet reactor Warner marine ecobak
Rowaphos reactor
57w UV
1/3 HP chiller

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I'd measure some of the new salt water for ammonia and chlorine, but I'm not really sure what it might be or if the salt is responsible (as opposed, to, say, the water, or even a biological factor that thrives when it gets some needed trace elements from the water change.
 

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You could contact IO and they would most likely want a sample of salt sent into them. I'm sure they would want to know if it was the salt as well. I know many people have contacted IO on suspicion of salt parameters being off and they were more then happy to test the saltmix and replace the batch if it was determined to be a bad mix.
 
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No measurable amounts of ammonia, or chlorine. I'll try contacting IO. This is really bizarre.

I don't think a Triton test will show anything that would lead to a massive fish die off, but we are already sending that sample of the pre mixed water in. I happen to have an untouched 50g bag of that box of salt too. I'll send out an email to IO and see what they suggest. Any other thoughts?
 

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In regards to the bio pellet reactor, were the pellets moving or could the reactors flow have gotten restricted to the point that a reaction happen and there was a release of sulfur ?
 
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Bio pellets still tumbling normally. I thought about that too, like if a power outage occurred. But that wasn't the case
 

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Bad salt batch happens alot, im guessing the ph level dropped so low with the new salt it killed the fishes, but who knows.
 
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So I thought about that as well.. But it seemed to be a progression affect beginning with the first 20 gallon change. That's less than 10% water, i don't think it's possible to have the PH in a 1.025 salinity so low that a 10% wc could cause this.

Tank was reading 8.0 ph at this time as well
 

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How fast was the apparent impact on fish with a water change? Like a few minutes or less?

If so, that would likely rule out a problematic bacteria, virus, etc in the salt mix.
 
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my initial 20g wc with the new batch, 4 days later a mandarin dragonette died.

Second wc with the new batch with 35g I'd say 5-10 minutes I noticed heavy breathing and within 2 hours a couple fish died. then the next morning when they went in their office, several more were dead.

Everything is stable now, and there are 2 fish left. A yellow tang and a melanurus wrasse. No signs of heavy breathing or being irritated.
 
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Randy,

If there happened to be an impurity or poison in the salt, what could it be?

I'm having a lab test the water, but I have to be specific with what I'm testing for. I've heard cyanide, arsenic, sulfur.... What are your thoughts?

Thank you
 

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Randy,

If there happened to be an impurity or poison in the salt, what could it be?

I'm having a lab test the water, but I have to be specific with what I'm testing for. I've heard cyanide, arsenic, sulfur.... What are your thoughts?

Thank you

There is a world of possibilities. If it is an organic molecule, there are just too many to test for. I don't know enough about fish to know what sorts of inorganic poisons might cause the effects you observe, and might possibly get into a salt mix.
 

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Triton would probably be the first thing I would do... It could be as simple as elevated <insert compound>. :D
 

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You could contact IO and they would most likely want a sample of salt sent into them. I'm sure they would want to know if it was the salt as well. I know many people have contacted IO on suspicion of salt parameters being off and they were more then happy to test the saltmix and replace the batch if it was determined to be a bad mix.
They need to replace the losses
 

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Following, hope IO or the triton can give some insight.
 

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I think I just had something similar happen except with fritz reef pro. Just finished removing my last fish. All my levels are good. PH is good. No signs of ick or velvet. First fish (neon dottyback) died two days later. Then every day a new fish died for 12 days.
 

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I think I just had something similar happen except with fritz reef pro. Just finished removing my last fish. All my levels are good. PH is good. No signs of ick or velvet. First fish (neon dottyback) died two days later. Then every day a new fish died for 12 days.

I expect it is most likely a disease issue, or some other way a contaminant git into the tank. An impurity lethal to fish in a salt mix would be extraordinarily rare.
 
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