Quarantines and new tank thoughts

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Hey noobs, time for a bit of a bedtime story. Bear with me, this is long winded.
Last Friday, I was meeting a friend for lunch. I got to the restaurant as he was calling to tell me that he was running very late. I decided to take a quick trip over to a known LFS that was close by. Something to fill the time. In case I have not mentioned this before, DO NOT do this. Nothing good can come of it. I walked in, chatted with the guys and went to the saltwater section. First tank, I saw a pretty little nicely colored wrasse. Now, in case you do not know, I have been saving room in the tank for a wrasse. I continued along the wall of tanks, just to come upon a beauty. A 2 inch leopard wrasse, most likely meleagris even though they had her listed as bipartitus. Don't worry, I had to look those up too. I ask if she was eating prepared foods, and they fed her for me. She ate like a champ. I inspected her closely and saw no lesions on her. At this point I knew I was sunk.
Rules of wrasse keeping: 1. inspect specimen before purchase to insure no injuries to face or body and no evidence of parasites 2. watch specimen eat at LFS to insure they are eating prepared foods. 3. Minimize transport time to minimize stress to the very fragile species who do not ship well. 4. Have a QT tank with sand and a piece of rock ready to go for them because they do not do well in a bare bottom QT due to the need to bury themselves in the sand to sleep and hide when scared. (not all wrasses do this, so know your species)
So I went through my checklist: 1. done 2. done 3. can come back and get her after lunch 4. QT up and going, but no sand in it. So I can add sand when I get home, no problem.
So I allowed my impulses to conquer the day. I purchased Agnes on the spot(yes, I already named her). I ate lunch at breakneck speed and took my new find home. My priorities had been derailed. Lunch with a friend became a nuisance instead of a leisurely enjoyment. That will teach him to be running late.
I raced home to add sand to QT and get her in there as fast as possible, knowing that transport is one of the hardest parts of successfully keeping wrasse. As I was acclimating her to QT water, Agnes (as if on cue) laid over on her side and died. I ran through all the possible reasons for this and decided to just get her into quarantine right away. I cupped her limp body in my hand and dropped her into the QT tank. Her limp body drifted to the bottom and lay there. Knowing that just minutes earlier she had been swimming around her bag I decided to give it some time to see what would happen. I know, dead body + time equals fouled tank. I wrapped the tank in a towel and turned off the light. A mini funeral of sorts. I was truly devastated. I thought I had done everything right. My brain was clicking through all the possible causes of the misfortune.
At around 10 pm, I decided to go and view QT. I had long since quit telling myself that she might just come around and be ok. I had accepted that leaving her in the tank overnight was silly and she needed to be disposed of. I lifted the towel on the side where I knew her body was lying. It was not there. A brief glimmer of hope, until I remembered that dead bodies can be moved by the current. I unwrapped the tank and looked around. No body. I looked up and around the return nozzle, no body. I looked in each corner, no body. Ok, so maybe she was not dead. Maybe she was just playing dead. Maybe she was hiding in the sand. I was so excited. I quickly covered the tank back up and went to bed.
Next morning, I jumped out of bed and raced to the kitchen to see if she was out (or if the body was visible and had not been spotted the night before) I flipped on the blue light so as not to spook her if by chance she was out. There she was, swimming around looking like nothing had happened. My little drama queen had somehow managed to procure her release from her plastic prison and into a glass prison by playing dead. Well played Agnes.

Moral of the story: not sure there is one. Impulse buy plus delicate little fish equals drama at the QT. Fast forward to Monday and she is eating multiple types of frozen foods and seems quite relaxed in her 10 gallon QT. Do not let anyone convince you that certain types of fish just cannot be quarantined for a myriad of reasons. Do not fall for the "just get them in the DT as fast as possible" so they do not die trick. Even if the one playing the trick is Agnes.

Now I can work at getting her to eat a variety of foods while observing for illness. I will also deworm her before she goes into the DT.

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Great story. This gives me hope. I have a few fish skeletons under my tank where they are hard to get out. I am going to crawl under there and collect a few, give them mouth to mouth and see if they come around. :D
 
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Great story. This gives me hope. I have a few fish skeletons under my tank where they are hard to get out. I am going to crawl under there and collect a few, give them mouth to mouth and see if they come around. :D
Just throw them in a 10G and cover with a towel. worked for me. :rolleyes:
 
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Just to show all that I practice what I preach, here is my quarantine tank with the four inmates.
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Great story.. I just picked up a yellow wrasse as well and well it has just been one pain. Everyday when I get home he has somehow jumped in to my back filter area. Then I have to take an hour to try an get him. I think he's doing it to get on my nerves
 
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Cupcake is very obedient and docile. She is just precious. I do have a tight fitting top on the QT, so not sure if anyone has tried to escape. I have double reinforced, extra strong lid. They are still plotting against me. I can tell by the guilty looks on their faces when I get home.
 
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Ok, so atm I have four wrasse in QT. I have been asked by a few well known and respected reefers why I am doing this.
I am glad they ask.
I am currently taking my wrasse through the tank transfer method to break the life cycle of ich, if it is present. No, they are showing no signs of illness, but it is my understanding from reading ad nauseum that ich may be hiding in the gills without showing any external signs of infection or illness in the fish. How often? I have no idea. Especially in wrasse who have a heavy mucous coating, you will rarely see signs externally of infection. So why not just wait it out in QT and see how they do? Here is why I chose to complete a minimum for 4 tank transfers at less than 72 hours apart. What we do know through the science is that the ich parasite has multiple phases in the tank, both on and off of the fish. These cycles can be interrupted, thus preventing the organism from re-infecting the fish(even in very low numbers in the gills). By interrupting the cycle we are clearing any sub clinical infections that might be present. Simply watching a fish for 30,60,or even 90 days does not insure that you are not putting ich into your tank. But following the tank transfer method, you are insuring that you do not put ich in your tank. It is that simple.
Are there a thousand other ways that ich can get into your tank? yes. Do healthy fish seem to build up an immunity to ich? yes, that appears to be the case. I know that many will not feel comfortable doing what I do. That is ok. I only share my method because it works for me and I feel good about how I do things.
Additional info on my ttm. I am using brand new sand and a rock in each tank to give the wrasse a friendly environment while they are in quarantine. I will be removing and disposing of these items as I go. I am feeding 3-4 times daily while in quarantine to insure all fish are continuing to gain weight and be happy. If I had no wrasse I would go bare bottom. I will also deworm while in quarantine before placing in DT.
I was showing my quarantine to a fellow reefer last night and he could not believe how friendly my Naoko fairy wrasse was. He came up to my finger and begged for food. This part of the process is my favorite because all my fish get used to being fed by me in a safe environment where they can become as healthy as possible before going into the DT. While my DT is not as large as many, it is still an environment where a small fish could get easily lost, neglected or unsuccessfully maintained. To get them all used to eating from my fingers and eager to see me approach the tank makes it easier when they go into the DT for me to be able to feed and maintain them.
I have four young wrasse in a 10 gallon QT with a lid. Noone has tried to escape and all are getting along nicely. I made the decision to buy them all at the same time for the reason that I did not want to have aggression in the DT if I added them at different times. If I had seen aggression in the QT, I would have removed the aggressor and taken them back to the store. Luckily, have not seen any. When I add them all to the DT at the same time, I do not expect to have any issues.
I feed heavy and do big water changes in QT. I monitor temperature, salinity and PH.
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Thats such an awesome fish. Can you tell us the type of wrasse in that pic from left to right? Please ^_^ i like the first one.
 
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Thats such an awesome fish. Can you tell us the type of wrasse in that pic from left to right? Please ^_^ i like the first one.
Sure, from left to right
blue star leopard wrasse
leopard wrasse
yellow coris wrasse
Naoko fairy wrasse

They will be getting their second Prazipro treatment today and next week if all goes well, they get to break out of jail. :p
 

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nicest quarantine tank I have seen. nice job

Haha i admit I got a bit carried away, but it was going to be next to my desk, didn't want it looking funky. I want to get some wrasse fish. Any recommendations on care? Do they fight each other? How many should I add? Dirt or no dirt?
 
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She is a blue star leopard wrasse. Granddaughter named her sprinkles.

here are some amazing articles from a fellow R2R wrasse crazy kind of guy.
https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/all-about-reef-safe-wrasses-in-aquaria.28/
https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/pairing-wrasses-thats-not-how-any-of-this-works.3/

They are definitely not beginner fish and you need to understand the do's and don'ts before bringing them home. Equipped with this knowledge they are an amazing family of fish.

Oh I don't even have a tank large enough for her but she is beautiful! I'll put her on the "maybe someday" list! [emoji4]
 

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