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So I want to slowly raise my nutrients as my fish load is very low to coral load. My tank is acro dominated but mainly frags right now and only half the tank is filled out. Want to raise nutrients as I only have a few fish. In last week I have dosed neo nitrate and phos but I know they’re a weak formula. I know there’s forums on dosing ammonia to raise nitrates and I have dr Tim’s ammonia but want to do it right. I have feed reef roids in past to help with phosphate but I think acros just consume it fast. Tank is roughly 180g total. Nitrates 4.1 and phos .02. Want to d it safely and right. Any experience, thanks
 
Feeding more or dosing N (sodium nitrate, calcium nitrate or ammonium bicarbonate) and P (sodium phosphate) are all good choices.

I have done all of these except calcium nitrate.
 
I am currently doing 25 ml of neophos a day. I was dosing 35ml a day and it took a month or so to absorbing to the sand and rocks. I just ordered some food grade phos for dosing instead of neo phos
 
I am currently doing 25 ml of neophos a day. I was dosing 35ml a day and it took a month or so to absorbing to the sand and rocks. I just ordered some food grade phos for dosing instead of neo phos

Sounds like a good plan to me. :)
 
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March O phos or nitrate
 
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same acro A few weeks ago phos .08
Nitrate 5-10
 
Feeding more or dosing N (sodium nitrate, calcium nitrate or ammonium bicarbonate) and P (sodium phosphate) are all good choices.

I have done all of these except calcium nitrate.
Is ammonium chloride the same. Is there a set dosage amount for it? I would want to start off small to not spike the ammonia
 
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same acro A few weeks ago phos .08
Nitrate 5-10
Definitely a big difference. My small fish load definitely is contributing. Have 2 more fish coming in next few weeks and then will go from there
 
Is ammonium chloride the same. Is there a set dosage amount for it? I would want to start off small to not spike the ammonia

Not the same. It can be used, but depletes alk and is more potent per mass:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/diy-ammonia-dosing-for-low-nitrate-systems.987087/

from it:

Ammonium Chloride
Ammonium chloride, NH4Cl is essentially ammonia (NH3) plus hydrochloric acid (HCl). The reason I mention that fact relates to the impact on alkalinity. Dosing NH3 followed by consumption by organisms to form tissue in a net alkalinity neutral process. I'm ignoring the fact that if it is converted into nitrate, alk is lost, because if that nitrate is later used, all the alk lost comes back.

However, the HCl that is effectively dosed will steadily deplete alk. Adding the equivalent of 50 mg/L nitrate (0.81 meq/L; coming from NH4Cl) will have depleted 0.81 meq/l (2.3 dKH) of alkalinity. That may need to be made up for in some other fashion, such as adding more alkalintiy supplement.

High quality ammonium chloride is readily available and inexpensive. Loudwolf is one brand, but there are many. Aim for food grade or ACS reagent grade. Amazon carries many Loudwolf is $7 for 4 ounces, which contains 38,000 mg of ammonium, and is equivalent to 131,000 mg of nitrate, enough to raise 100 L of aquarium water to 5 ppm nitrate about 262 times. So cost is not significant.

Ammonium Bicarbonate
Ammonium bicarbonate, also known as baking ammonia, NH4 HCO3 is essentially ammonia (NH3) plus CO2 and water.

As mentioned above, dosing NH3 followed by consumption by organisms to form tissue in a net alkalinity neutral process. The CO2 and water also do not impact alkalinity. Thus, ammonium bicarbonate is a net alk neutral way to dose ammonia.

High quality ammonium bicarbonate is also available from Amazon as baking ammonia. It is readily available and inexpensive. One brand sells 11 ounces for $15, so it's cost is similar to the Loudwolf ammonium chloride per unit of ammonia added (one needs to use more of the ammonium bicarbonate than the ammonium chloride, evening out the cost).

Stock Solution
Using either of these materials, we will make a stock solution for dosing. Keep it closed up as it will smell of ammonia and slowly loses ammonia to the air. Ammonium bicarbonate will have a higher pH, smell more, and lose ammonia to the air faster.

13.5 grams of ammonium chloride (about 3 - 4.6 teaspoons, varies by brand) in 1 L RO/DI water.
OR
20 grams of ammonium bicarbonate (about 4 and 3/4 teaspoons) in 1 L RO/DI water.

Both solutions contain approximately 4300 mg/L (4.3 mg/mL) ammonia, equivalent to 15,700 mg/l nitrate.

Dosing

Don't be overly afraid of dosing ammonia due to toxicity, but one cannot dose substantial amounts all at once. IMO, it is safe to add 0.1 ppm ammonia (equivalent to 0.36 ppm nitrate) at once to any reef tank, and one can likely add more, if it mixes in well. Don't dose it right onto a fish, but dosing 2-3x that amount at once is also likely OK. Of course, using a dosing pump to spread out the dosing is fine and may be preferable, but be sure to guard against dosing pumps out of control (e.g., stuck on). Stock solutions can be increased or decreased in potency to match pumping needs. The ammonia could also be put into an ato since exact daily dosing is not required.

To add 0.1 mg/L ammonia to an aquarium, you would need to add 2.3 mL of either stock solution to a 100 L (26 gallon) aquarium. You may need to add this amount multiply times per day to dose enough.

I'd add it to a sump, if possible, to dilute it well before it gets to the main tank. Most folks dosing ammonia wouldn't also be using media intended to push the nitrogen cycle in various ways, but if you do, dose downstream of that media.

Of course, if anything seems to react badly the first time or two that you dose, stop dosing, double check the amounts, and perhaps come back to this thread for further discussion of what might be happening.

This article has a lot more on ammonia in reef aquaria, although some parts of it may not be correct (such as the utility of products such as Prime):

Ammonia and the Reef Aquarium by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com
 
20260823_101356_9507DEA5-D49D-4FDB-AF13-7430C93364EE.png

same acro A few weeks ago phos .08
Nitrate 5-10
Definitely a big difference. My small fish load definitely is contributing. Have 2 more fish coming in next few weeks and then will go from there
I have a small fish load as well but corals clams alga just strips everything i could not feed enough to raise my po3/4
 
Not the same. It can be used, but depletes alk and is more potent per mass:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/diy-ammonia-dosing-for-low-nitrate-systems.987087/

from it:

Ammonium Chloride
Ammonium chloride, NH4Cl is essentially ammonia (NH3) plus hydrochloric acid (HCl). The reason I mention that fact relates to the impact on alkalinity. Dosing NH3 followed by consumption by organisms to form tissue in a net alkalinity neutral process. I'm ignoring the fact that if it is converted into nitrate, alk is lost, because if that nitrate is later used, all the alk lost comes back.

However, the HCl that is effectively dosed will steadily deplete alk. Adding the equivalent of 50 mg/L nitrate (0.81 meq/L; coming from NH4Cl) will have depleted 0.81 meq/l (2.3 dKH) of alkalinity. That may need to be made up for in some other fashion, such as adding more alkalintiy supplement.

High quality ammonium chloride is readily available and inexpensive. Loudwolf is one brand, but there are many. Aim for food grade or ACS reagent grade. Amazon carries many Loudwolf is $7 for 4 ounces, which contains 38,000 mg of ammonium, and is equivalent to 131,000 mg of nitrate, enough to raise 100 L of aquarium water to 5 ppm nitrate about 262 times. So cost is not significant.

Ammonium Bicarbonate
Ammonium bicarbonate, also known as baking ammonia, NH4 HCO3 is essentially ammonia (NH3) plus CO2 and water.

As mentioned above, dosing NH3 followed by consumption by organisms to form tissue in a net alkalinity neutral process. The CO2 and water also do not impact alkalinity. Thus, ammonium bicarbonate is a net alk neutral way to dose ammonia.

High quality ammonium bicarbonate is also available from Amazon as baking ammonia. It is readily available and inexpensive. One brand sells 11 ounces for $15, so it's cost is similar to the Loudwolf ammonium chloride per unit of ammonia added (one needs to use more of the ammonium bicarbonate than the ammonium chloride, evening out the cost).

Stock Solution
Using either of these materials, we will make a stock solution for dosing. Keep it closed up as it will smell of ammonia and slowly loses ammonia to the air. Ammonium bicarbonate will have a higher pH, smell more, and lose ammonia to the air faster.

13.5 grams of ammonium chloride (about 3 - 4.6 teaspoons, varies by brand) in 1 L RO/DI water.
OR
20 grams of ammonium bicarbonate (about 4 and 3/4 teaspoons) in 1 L RO/DI water.

Both solutions contain approximately 4300 mg/L (4.3 mg/mL) ammonia, equivalent to 15,700 mg/l nitrate.

Dosing

Don't be overly afraid of dosing ammonia due to toxicity, but one cannot dose substantial amounts all at once. IMO, it is safe to add 0.1 ppm ammonia (equivalent to 0.36 ppm nitrate) at once to any reef tank, and one can likely add more, if it mixes in well. Don't dose it right onto a fish, but dosing 2-3x that amount at once is also likely OK. Of course, using a dosing pump to spread out the dosing is fine and may be preferable, but be sure to guard against dosing pumps out of control (e.g., stuck on). Stock solutions can be increased or decreased in potency to match pumping needs. The ammonia could also be put into an ato since exact daily dosing is not required.

To add 0.1 mg/L ammonia to an aquarium, you would need to add 2.3 mL of either stock solution to a 100 L (26 gallon) aquarium. You may need to add this amount multiply times per day to dose enough.

I'd add it to a sump, if possible, to dilute it well before it gets to the main tank. Most folks dosing ammonia wouldn't also be using media intended to push the nitrogen cycle in various ways, but if you do, dose downstream of that media.

Of course, if anything seems to react badly the first time or two that you dose, stop dosing, double check the amounts, and perhaps come back to this thread for further discussion of what might be happening.

This article has a lot more on ammonia in reef aquaria, although some parts of it may not be correct (such as the utility of products such as Prime):

Ammonia and the Reef Aquarium by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com
Thanks for the insight. I was worried about how it affects fish. Seems scary to add straight ammonia when fish breathe it. I added .5 ml to sump. Probably not a very high dosage but I’d much rather start off slow then add too low. If many people including yourlsef have done it for a long time then I don’t see a reason to be scared of it as long as I don’t overdose it. I’m going to test nitrates in a few days again. I likely won’t see a difference with that small of an amount but with a small fish load I liked to be safe and I believe I have the biological filtration to combat the amount
 
I have a small fish load as well but corals clams alga just strips everything i could not feed enough to raise my po3/4
I agree. Other day I feed a good amount of reef roids and neo phos as I don’t dose a certain amount and just eyeball it and it went up .01. My acros just strip everything. I also feed heavy frozen and don’t rinse anything either when phos is higher. Couple weeks ago it was at .08-.1 but added 6 more acro frags and their settling in. Also have another 6 coming this week lol. What acro is that it’s beautiful
 
Thanks for the insight. I was worried about how it affects fish. Seems scary to add straight ammonia when fish breathe it. I added .5 ml to sump. Probably not a very high dosage but I’d much rather start off slow then add too low. If many people including yourlsef have done it for a long time then I don’t see a reason to be scared of it as long as I don’t overdose it. I’m going to test nitrates in a few days again. I likely won’t see a difference with that small of an amount but with a small fish load I liked to be safe and I believe I have the biological filtration to combat the amount

Adding it in appropriate amounts is no different than having fish that excrete it. :)

Bear in mind that it takes more than 10 ppm of ammonia to kill a marine fish, but starting slow and stopping if you have issues is certainly reasonable.

Here's a different (less scary) perspective on ammonia:

https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/ammonia-is-our-friend.1062/
 
I have a small fish load as well but corals clams alga just strips everything i could not feed enough to raise my po3/4
I agree. Other day I feed a good amount of reef roids and neo phos as I don’t dose a certain amount and just eyeball it and it went up .01. My acros just strip everything. I also feed heavy frozen and don’t rinse anything either when phos is higher. Couple weeks ago it was at .08-.1 but added 6 more acro frags and their settling in. Also have another 6 coming this week lol. What acro is that it’s beautiful
It’s a pc rainbow or a rainbow loom. I had both and lost one when i had AEFW always dip
Your acros and look for AEFW eggs at the base. I remove the base now it was a nightmare
 

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