Switching from AFR to kalkwasser

[AquaNanoNZ]

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You are wrong, 1,671 times my current dose is impossible, I get a Large Calcium spike at 43ML per dose when tested, that's why I brought it down, my current dose at 6ml per day gives no spike just a little increase over 30 consecutive days, I measure one tablespoon per 1.5L/0.4gal dosing container, and did many tests, that's why it's safe and working, you must be thinking of dumping the product in at a one time shot, dosing this product doesn't work that way, you may think you understand the product but you have no idea how it works because you have never use this product, it's a lot different using this product and actual testing this product than supposing how the product works because that is what you are doing.

Are you dosing anything else along with this at all?

 

[Peair]

Are you dosing anything else along with this at all?

Just what I have already posted which is 2.1ML per day of Alkalinity per it's container.

 

[Peair]

Just what I have already posted which is 2.1ML per day of Alkalinity per it's container and recorded in app.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

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You are wrong, 1,671 times my current dose is impossible, I get a Large Calcium spike at 43ML per dose when tested, that's why I brought it down, my current dose at 6ml per day gives no spike just a little increase over 30 consecutive days, I measure one tablespoon per 1.5L/0.4gal dosing container, and did many tests, that's why it's safe and working, you must be thinking of dumping the product in at a one time shot, dosing this product doesn't work that way, you may think you understand the product but you have no idea how it works because you have never use this product, it's a lot different using this product and actual testing this product than supposing how the product works because that is what you are doing.

There are two possible explanations of how your result deviates from both what the company says it will do for calcium and what chemistry experts confirm:

1. You accidentally used a different material in your test.

Or

2. The test result was an error somehow.

There is no other possible explanation (well, aside from you trolling us).

The alk component you dosed to your tank is what exactly? Why do you not think it is providing all the alk you need?

 

[twentyleagues]

Continuum Aquatics | reef•basis kalkwasser

Continuum Aquatics kalkwasser is just regular kalwasser there is nothing "special" about their product. They even state as much in the first paragraph.

This is just one of the calculators I used to check your math. They all indicate the same thing. The dose you are using if in fact you are using exactly what you are typing does pretty much nothing for your levels. Also if you look at the bottom left box you are wasting the product as almost all of the product you are mixing is not dissolving. Are you following their directions on the dosing of the clear liquid only or are you dosing the slurry? As this would change the outcome quite a bit.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Continuum Aquatics | reef•basis kalkwasser

Continuum Aquatics kalkwasser is just regular kalwasser there is nothing "special" about their product. They even state as much in the first paragraph.

This is just one of the calculators I used to check your math. They all indicate the same thing. The dose you are using if in fact you are using exactly what you are typing does pretty much nothing for your levels. Also if you look at the bottom left box you are wasting the product as almost all of the product you are mixing is not dissolving. Are you following their directions on the dosing of the clear liquid only or are you dosing the slurry? As this would change the outcome quite a bit.

What did you read that suggests he might be dosing a slurry? He said this early on:

I use Continuum Aquatics Reef Basis Kalkwasser, you want to Dissolve 6 grams, about 2 teaspoons of Kalk in 1 gallon of purified water to make a saturated solution, than I dose 6ML a day in 53 gal. tank, it helps keep my PH steady at 8.28.

 

[Mwatts12]

I have been using this Kalk a long time, I started using using it on a practice tank at 43ML a day and it would spike Calcium too high, I than divided it by 7 and came up with 6ml a day, and than very little Calcium increase, and than after I found a safe dose, I dose 6ml a day in my main 53 gal tank, I have experience using this, you don't, you have to be very careful with Kalk to find the right dose, and this Kalk is safe if you use the right dose, and it does maintain a very good PH if you use it right.

You really got it all figured out. Please tell us other methods you use?

 

[jimsreef]

What kind of doser do you need for kalk. Would a hydros minnow work?

 

[Mwatts12]

ML means milliliter, I have explained to you many times the process of dosing Continuum Aquatics Kalk, go back and read the posts, but it seems like you don't understand, or you do not want to understand, you just want to disagree over and over again without any reasoning, all I can do is tell the truth and explain the correct process that I went through, and I will not deviate from reality, for you have no experience using Continuum Aquatics Kalk, and you want to tell somebody that using that product everyday is wrong over and over again with no reasoning, wake up.

Man keep going. You are really helping your case

 

[exnisstech]

What kind of doser do you need for kalk. Would a hydros minnow work?

What I found that worked great for dosing kalk was a brs dosing pump on a digital timer. Which one depends on the amount of kalk needed. I started with the 1ml min but ended up with the 50ml min because I dosed 7200ml daily. The regular dosing pumps don't hold up well to kalk. I would never run it through an expensive doser.

This is the timer I used. You can adjust the on time by the second so once you know what the actual dosing pump out put volume is it's pretty easy to set up. I ran this way for close to two years before I swapped tanks.

 

[twentyleagues]

What did you read that suggests he might be dosing a slurry? He said this early on:

I use Continuum Aquatics Reef Basis Kalkwasser, you want to Dissolve 6 grams, about 2 teaspoons of Kalk in 1 gallon of purified water to make a saturated solution, than I dose 6ML a day in 53 gal. tank, it helps keep my PH steady at 8.28.

I did mis-remember what amount he is using. In post #40 he said he dissolves 1 tablespoon into 1.5l of water. I had input 1.5 tablespoons into 1.5l of water so his actual undissolved would be .71 tablespoon not the 1.21 I had originally stated. So he is not following the amount of kalkwasser to water that continuum is recommending 6g or 2 teaspoon to 1 gallon, which I think also deviates from typical. So my question, is he actually dosing slurry in the 6ml which would change whats happening...Right?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

What kind of doser do you need for kalk. Would a hydros minnow work?

Best is a slow pump that can dose your needed amount over an extended period of hours.

A peristaltic pump rated for continuous duty will work well.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I did mis-remember what amount he is using. In post #40 he said he dissolves 1 tablespoon into 1.5l of water. I had input 1.5 tablespoons into 1.5l of water so his actual undissolved would be .71 tablespoon not the 1.21 I had originally stated. So he is not following the amount of kalkwasser to water that continuum is recommending 6g or 2 teaspoon to 1 gallon, which I think also deviates from typical. So my question, is he actually dosing slurry in the 6ml which would change whats happening...Right?

Yes, dosing a slurry would give a higher potency. A few folks dose a slurry, but it is harder to control the potency.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Man keep going. You are really helping your case

I decided this thread has bigger fish to fry than convincing him what mL means vs ML.

 

[mcwhng]

I decided this thread has bigger fish to fry than convincing him what mL means vs ML.

Sometimes you just have to say do what you do…

 

[Dburr1014]

I suggest you look up who Randy is, perhaps read some is his many articles including those about Kalkwasser. I suspect you’ll learn some helpful things.

Perhaps what you are using is not just calcium hydroxide

I am just explaining what works for me and my tank, it took me a long time to get the Kalk I use right, you have to be very careful with Kalk, and I learn through trial and error.

The point he is trying to make is randy is a leading scientist in the USA and happens to be a reefer.

He spends a lot of time on these message boards helping people by the masses on the use of chemicals we can use for our reefs.

He has written many many articles on the subjects of chemistry in reef tanks.

For you to say;

I have experience using this, you don't,

Is flat out wrong.

I think reading some of his articles may help you understand kalk a little better.

Have a nice day.

 

[twentyleagues]

Yes, dosing a slurry would give a higher potency. A few folks dose a slurry, but it is harder to control the potency.

At their current dosing the calculators indicate if they dose just the clear liquid it would amount to a .03ppm calcium and 0 alk addition. If dosing a slurry it would be much higher. I have not dosed kalk in years and I am not that good at the math and intricacies of what dosing a slurry would do to the numbers. I know the alk, calc and ph would be much higher if the slurry was used but not sure to what level. Also aware that could cause precipitation depending on where/how its dosed.

 

[twentyleagues]

We also do not know what is in the tank that would be using alk and calc. It could be that their calc demand is .03ppm/day and thats why this dose works along with whatever it is they are dosing for alk, as they state they dose 2.1 ml dkh of alk/day......whatever that means.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

At their current dosing the calculators indicate if they dose just the clear liquid it would amount to a .03ppm calcium and 0 alk addition. If dosing a slurry it would be much higher. I have not dosed kalk in years and I am not that good at the math and intricacies of what dosing a slurry would do to the numbers. I know the alk, calc and ph would be much higher if the slurry was used but not sure to what level. Also aware that could cause precipitation depending on where/how its dosed.

The potency of a slurry would depend on how much solid is in the liquid. Assuming he used what he first posted (6 g /gallon fresh water) the slurry would not come into play as nearly all will dissolve.

 

[Reefering1]

There are two possible explanations of how your result deviates from both what the company says it will do for calcium and what chemistry experts confirm:

1. You accidentally used a different material in your test.

Or

2. The test result was an error somehow.

There is no other possible explanation (well, aside from you trolling us).

The alk component you dosed to your tank is what exactly? Why do you not think it is providing all the alk you need?

Maybe he is bolus dosing his 6ml of kalk to get the unexplainable ph results?