Tang with ich?

[jiggysmb]

I picked up a powder brown tang 6 days ago. On day 2 I noticed a white spot that looked like he bumped his forehead and tiny bit of skin was flaking off. The the next day it had a dark spot but looked like it was healed by day 4. Day 6, today, I noticed a white spot on the side of its head. One spot at a time doesnt seem like ich but can someone with more experience help me ID? We use a 40 gallon tank as a QT but today moved the only 2 fish in that tank to a 10 gallon with a half dose of marineland ich remedy. I have never had to use it, but if this is ich, is it a single dose then check for signs after 5-6 days? or is it daily dose for 5 days after a 25% water change, then dose 5ml per 10 gallons? The bottle seems to say the first, but the website and reviews seem to point to a daily dose.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I picked up a powder brown tang 6 days ago. On day 2 I noticed a white spot that looked like he bumped his forehead and tiny bit of skin was flaking off. The the next day it had a dark spot but looked like it was healed by day 4. Day 6, today, I noticed a white spot on the side of its head. One spot at a time doesnt seem like ich but can someone with more experience help me ID? We use a 40 gallon tank as a QT but today moved the only 2 fish in that tank to a 10 gallon with a half dose of marineland ich remedy. I have never had to use it, but if this is ich, is it a single dose then check for signs after 5-6 days? or is it daily dose for 5 days after a 25% water change, then dose 5ml per 10 gallons? The bottle seems to say the first, but the website and reviews seem to point to a daily dose.

The spot seems a bit large to be ich, but this species is really prone to getting ich.
Coppersafe or hyposalinity are the best treatments for it. I’ve not used the marineland product, does it list its ingredients?
Jay

 

[jiggysmb]

Victoria green, nitromersol is main ingredient. Weird thing is now we have a 3rd white spot, the second white spot is gone and now there is a larger dark spot where it was. Cant find anything like this in any research...

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Victoria green, nitromersol is main ingredient. Weird thing is now we have a 3rd white spot, the second white spot is gone and now there is a larger dark spot where it was. Cant find anything like this in any research...

That is a malachite green analog. That works pretty well against FW ich, but has a poor track record for marine ich, which is a different species.

Spots that come and go over a day or two can be marine ich. Watch for increasing numbers of spots over time.

Jay

 

[jiggysmb]

That is a malachite green analog. That works pretty well against FW ich, but has a poor track record for marine ich, which is a different species.

Spots that come and go over a day or two can be marine ich. Watch for increasing numbers of spots over time.

Jay

Thank you Jay, what product do you recommend for the tang?

 

[jiggysmb]

The 2 white spots seem to be gone, where one of the white spots were located on the belly is now the same brown patch that showed where the other white spots had been when they disappeared. Would love to know what is going on with him. 4 or 5 spots have come and gone over 7 days, 48 hours with white spot, then a day with a dark patch.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thank you Jay, what product do you recommend for the tang?

If it is ich, I prefer either coppersafe or hyposalinity.
Jay

 

[jiggysmb]

I have moved the tang over to clean salt water from my display, 2 days ago 50%, then yesterday replaced all the water to rid the QT tank of copper. Today I see a line of white dots following the line in his skin behind his eye. I can not tell if it is bones or "viral nodules" similar to the pic below. I have prazipro and focus/metroplex/kanaplex being delivered today but I dont want to throw another solution at it until I have a better understanding of what is going on.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I have moved the tang over to clean salt water from my display, 2 days ago 50%, then yesterday replaced all the water to rid the QT tank of copper. Today I see a line of white dots following the line in his skin behind his eye. I can not tell if it is bones or "viral nodules" similar to the pic below. I have prazipro and focus/metroplex/kanaplex being delivered today but I dont want to throw another solution at it until I have a better understanding of what is going on.

Can you post a current picture of your actual fish?
Jay

 

[jiggysmb]

Jay, thank you for your time with this. I feel horrible for this fish. It is hard to see the spots without using a flashlight, these are the best I can do. His face does not look so bad when not in the beam, but he is eating well. I have been feeding him nori since I bought him a little over a week ago and started the Emerald Entree with Mysis shrimp 2 days ago.

 

[jiggysmb]

 

[Lost in the Sauce]

So it's been a few days since your first post. Can you give another full situation report?

What have you tried? Copper/hypo?

Is the fish rubbing on anything?

 

[vetteguy53081]

I have moved the tang over to clean salt water from my display, 2 days ago 50%, then yesterday replaced all the water to rid the QT tank of copper. Today I see a line of white dots following the line in his skin behind his eye. I can not tell if it is bones or "viral nodules" similar to the pic below. I have prazipro and focus/metroplex/kanaplex being delivered today but I dont want to throw another solution at it until I have a better understanding of what is going on.

You had a powder brown pictured but this is a hybrid achilles tang and now has HLLE ?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Can you post a current picture of your actual fish?
Jay

Can you post a current picture of your actual fish?
Jay

Ich remedy is basically malachite Green and Formalin base and at under $5 cant be too effective

 

[vetteguy53081]

Powder brown lost its orange tail ?

 

[jiggysmb]

Yesterday around noon I treated the QT with kanaplex and metroplex to try to help him heal. I have coppersafe being delivered tomorrow. As of this evening there is no improvement. The white spots have turned into large pimple looking bumps or red patches.

Lost, He is in an all glass tank with a tiny damsel and I do not see him rubbing on anything. Initially ick remedy was used but water has been changed out since that mistake.

vetteguy, The achilles tang was used to show what the side of my tang looked like a few days ago. I dont believe his tail was ever orange.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Yesterday around noon I treated the QT with kanaplex and metroplex to try to help him heal. I have coppersafe being delivered tomorrow. As of this evening there is no improvement. The white spots have turned into large pimple looking bumps or red patches.

Lost, He is in an all glass tank with a tiny damsel and I do not see him rubbing on anything. Initially ick remedy was used but water has been changed out since that mistake.

vetteguy, The achilles tang was used to show what the side of my tang looked like a few days ago. I dont believe his tail was ever orange.

I think what you are seeing here is a few different issues, and their symptoms are overlapping a bit. The fish has some minor head and lateral line erosion, but the lesions look like they are getting infected (rare, but it does sometimes happen). I'm not sure what to make of the line of brownish dots below its dorsal fin. this species does develop "black ich" but those spots would be random, not in a line like that.

The Kanaplex should help stop a bacterial infection - but it can take up to five days to work. Coppersafe is a good idea just on general principle. Metroplex isn't high on my list and is mostly redundant with the copper.

Jay

 

[jiggysmb]

I think what you are seeing here is a few different issues, and their symptoms are overlapping a bit. The fish has some minor head and lateral line erosion, but the lesions look like they are getting infected (rare, but it does sometimes happen). I'm not sure what to make of the line of brownish dots below its dorsal fin. this species does develop "black ich" but those spots would be random, not in a line like that.

The Kanaplex should help stop a bacterial infection - but it can take up to five days to work. Coppersafe is a good idea just on general principle. Metroplex isn't high on my list and is mostly redundant with the copper.

Jay

Thanks Jay. I will let you know how he is doing Saturday, coppersafe will be here mid day tomorrow.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Yesterday around noon I treated the QT with kanaplex and metroplex to try to help him heal. I have coppersafe being delivered tomorrow. As of this evening there is no improvement. The white spots have turned into large pimple looking bumps or red patches.

Lost, He is in an all glass tank with a tiny damsel and I do not see him rubbing on anything. Initially ick remedy was used but water has been changed out since that mistake.

vetteguy, The achilles tang was used to show what the side of my tang looked like a few days ago. I dont believe his tail was ever orange.

This is highly likely not anything pathogenic but Hlle and the little bumps could be nitrate toxicity or cysts.
What test kits are you using ?
What is your ammonia-ph-nitrate-salinity levels?
What diet are you offering the fish?

 

[vic5hands]

You can add garlic to the food that helps to get rid of ick.