The Wrasse Lover's Thread!

[JoJosReef]

More wrasse photos/vid but this time with clean glass!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vRYV3JTDvUZ2qybo9

And all five of the wrasses briefly in one shot!

Also noticing that the pencil wrasse is a bit banged up. He's been that way since moving him from the Evo to the 40, but finally got a few shots.

I think this is from his frequent attempts to jump out of the tank and the acclimation box. He's at least no longer as jumpy, but I go really slow around the tank so as not to spook him.

 

[Torretti]

Hello, First of all, after reading hundreads of pages in this topic I have to say thank you to all members for all the knowledge shared here.

I want to share my two wrasses, a halichoeres chrysus that I have for around 10 months and a new acquired cirrhilabrus joanallenae. I was in doubt if it was not a rubriventralis

 

[JoJosReef]

Hello, First of all, after reading hundreads of pages in this topic I have to say thank you to all members for all the knowledge shared here.

I want to share my two wrasses, a halichoeres chrysus that I have for around 10 months and a new acquired cirrhilabrus joanallenae. I was in doubt if it was not a rubriventralis

Welcome! Are you sure that's not a Cirrhilabrus rubeus? Beautiful wrasses!

 

[Cael Gallery]

Full tank video from today. Using the divider i was successfully able to introduce my new midnight snapper, northern blue devil (not visible) and pixy wrasse. They spent 1.5weeks behind the divider and when i let them out none of the fish batted an eye. The pixy in particular is doing very good, he is leaving my neoguinacus alone and my melanurus and guentheri are leaving him alone. You may notice the lack of anampses. My neoguinacus and gunthers killed my A.twistii. My A.meleagrides finally succumbed to starvation from not eating and by big beautiful lennardi unfortunately seemed to get UWND. Over the course of a few days it lost it's ablility to swim upright and kind of just span around facing nose-down. Then, it had a full on siezure and died. And my pencil wrasse jumped. All in the span of a week :(((

I will be using the divider method from now and on and also will be staying away from super shy and sensitive fish in general. Thinking more Thalassoma, coris and Halichoeres. I also want to get a couple tangs and large angels in there. I had a discussion with a member on here who had a large tank with 4 thalassoma co existing peacefully and he advised that making sure the Thalassoma weren't boss helps keep the peace.

@Slocke From memory you had a pixy wrasse right? do you still have it and how is it getting along with tankmates? there was a time when my A.meleagrides jumped over the barrier into the side where the pixy was and it immediately started harassing and nipping at the (larger) Anampses. Though it seems to get along with the smaller A.neoguinacus now.

 

[Slocke]

Coris pictoides? It’s fit in perfectly. It’s in my peaceful fish tank and has neither bullied or been bullied.

 

[Torretti]

Welcome! Are you sure that's not a Cirrhilabrus rubeus? Beautiful wrasses!

Yes, could be indeed. If you Google joanallenae, rubriventralis or rubeus, the image outcome will be very similar.

I was reading This reef builder's article about the rubriventralis group, and found it very interesting (at least for me :P). Seems that they are genetically the same, just phenotype differences by regions (naoko's included).

Quote from the article: "... It’s interesting to note that while the species are easily diagnosed via color and morphology, they are virtually indistinguishable based on preliminary molecular analysis."

 

[i cant think]

Yes, could be indeed. If you Google joanallenae, rubriventralis or rubeus, the image outcome will be very similar.

I was reading This reef builder's article about the rubriventralis group, and found it very interesting (at least for me :p). Seems that they are genetically the same, just phenotype differences by regions (naoko's included).

Quote from the article: "... It’s interesting to note that while the species are easily diagnosed via color and morphology, they are virtually indistinguishable based on preliminary molecular analysis."

The basic DNA looks identical but the deeper you go, there’s variations and it’s not the easiest to spot. Theres definitely some species which have this genetic similarity yet visual differences - Pseudojuloides edwardi and Pseudojuloides severnsi are two which are genetically the same yet visually very different.

I believe Naokoae and Joanallenae have this same scenario of genetically identical, visually different. But the rest of the genus are different deeper into their genetics.


What you have is almost certainly a rubeus, for a joanallenae you’d have the large pelvic find (like what you get with naokoae - which was initially believed to be a simple variation of Joanallenae).

 

[Torretti]

The basic DNA looks identical but the deeper you go, there’s variations and it’s not the easiest to spot. Theres definitely some species which have this genetic similarity yet visual differences - Pseudojuloides edwardi and Pseudojuloides severnsi are two which are genetically the same yet visually very different.

I believe Naokoae and Joanallenae have this same scenario of genetically identical, visually different. But the rest of the genus are different deeper into their genetics.


What you have is almost certainly a rubeus, for a joanallenae you’d have the large pelvic find (like what you get with naokoae - which was initially believed to be a simple variation of Joanallenae).

Yes, the pelvic fin is not that large and not full black as the joanallenae. I agree that must be a rubeus. And to be honest I dont really mind, the fish is fascinating and I am enjoying it a lot :D. Thank you.

 

[ChiCity]

… when things line up just right.

 

[Slocke]

So something weird happened in the big boy tank yesterday. The lunate was out for blood and going for the bird non-stop (bird is bigger but I guess that doesn’t matter) I tried to catch one but failed. Today they are swimming together like best of buds. Odd

 

[drolmaeye]

EDIT (before posting): wife just sent me a picture of my wrasse out in the water column. I am beyond relieved. I was in the middle of writing the post below, and will still post just to see how common it is to lose a fish getting stuck in sand.

HELP! What are the chances my healthy wrasse got itself stuck during routine sand sleeping?

I have a yellow wrasse (h. chrysus) that buries itself nightly (6:30 PM, like clockwork), and is *always* out swimming when I feed the tank in the morning (~8:00 AM). This morning there was no sign of the wrasse. I checked the floor and rear chambers (70 gallon AIO) and did not see it (tank has lid, and I don't think wrasse would easily fit through weir).

Wondering if any experienced keepers have had experience losing an established wrasse to a sand-burying injury or mishap.

Background info: established reef (18 months or so) with healthy fish, inverts, and coral. During initial setup, rock structure was placed directly on glass and sand was added after. Three small pieces of rock (about baseball size) placed directly on existing sand bed. Wrasse was added to the tank one year ago and has doubled in size - always seems very healthy, boisterous. I would be *very* disappointed if I never saw it again.

 

[Tcook]

Even established wrasses can take a sand nap for a day or two. Has happened to several of my halichoeres wrasses.

So we can all rejoice in halichoeres Monday

 

[N11morales]

Melanurus, Yello Coris, Leopard, pintail fairy, african exquisite, pink margin, katherines, scotts.

If i was to add these 7 wrasses what order would yall add them in? In a 213G display tank. Any suggestions on different wrasses? Will these all be okay together? Should I add more to disperse the aggression?

 

[Pome]

Sand still looks horrible, after cyano outbreak (red & green) but sorted mostly. Have a 2 spot, pintail, sailfin, 2x bluehead, female melanarus & a blue tang.

 

[JoJosReef]

Putting in my wrasse tax a bit early.

Peekaboo

 

[Sarcasm Included]

Melanurus, Yello Coris, Leopard, pintail fairy, african exquisite, pink margin, katherines, scotts.

If i was to add these 7 wrasses what order would yall add them in? In a 213G display tank. Any suggestions on different wrasses? Will these all be okay together? Should I add more to disperse the aggression?

I ended removing the Scotts from my stock list because it is listed as being extremely aggressive so that I can keep a Pintail which from comments from the experts here, fades quick with any aggression. This is just based off research since I can't build out my tank till I finish my house (3 year nightmare so far), I just responded since the experts @Slocke @i cant think haven't weighed in yet and your thread didn't get many responses.

Maybe look at Lubbock's, Orange back, Velvet, or Labout's for different colors than your others.

 

[N11morales]

I ended removing the Scotts from my stock list because it is listed as being extremely aggressive so that I can keep a Pintail which from comments from the experts here, fades quick with any aggression. This is just based off research since I can't build out my tank till I finish my house (3 year nightmare so far), I just responded since the experts @Slocke @i cant think haven't weighed in yet and your thread didn't get many responses.

Maybe look at Lubbock's, Orange back, Velvet, or Labout's for different colors than your others.

I was actually just researching this last night! Yeah instead of Scott’s I was thinking about a Lubbock keep it peaceful. So same wrasses, but a Lubbock instead of Scott’s.

Was thinking about a flasher wrasse also, but idk if they would be okay with these tangs
Orange shoulder

Purple tang

Gem tang

White tail bristletooth

Desjardini tang

Also a bellus angel

 

[BwA_TR82]

Adding the first of my fairy wrasses today, orange back fairy and a velvet yellow band fairy wrasse to my 210 today. What other great fairy wrasse options can I add after these guys. Wanting to add at least 3 more fairy wrasses. My list of potentials.
Lineatus
Pink margin
Exquisite (Vanuatu or maldives)
Katherine's.

 

[Tcook]

Adding the first of my fairy wrasses today, orange back fairy and a velvet yellow band fairy wrasse to my 210 today. What other great fairy wrasse options can I add after these guys. Wanting to add at least 3 more fairy wrasses. My list of potentials.
Lineatus
Pink margin
Exquisite (Vanuatu or maldives)
Katherine's.

Mix it up. Add a chrysus, babi or radiant. Rhomboid or lineatus. Negrosensis and vivien.

Magma should be in season

 

[JoJosReef]

Mix it up. Add a chrysus, babi or radiant. Rhomboid or lineatus. Negrosensis and vivien.

Magma should be in season

Never seen a magma in person. Are they all they're cracked up to be?