Thoughts on adding Cipro in display tank?

[jasonyin]

Hey my fellow reefers! I know a lot of us have used Cipro to treat bacterial infection in nems successfully. However, I have been having tissue recession with all my acans and 90% of my torches. My acans(10+ frags) had tissue recession and lost most of the flesh, but my torches have been receding more slowly. Parameters like Alk, Cal, Mg, Salinity, temp, PH, Phos, Nitrate are all normal, as I have Trident running. I tried dipping them in iodine, Coral RX, and even chemiclean but nothing helped. Wondering if anyone could help identify the potential cause?

I've heard from a few people that I should Cipro my display, since so many of my pieces are showing issues. Would you guys recommend this? If so, any instructions would be much appreciated in terms of amount, duration, and other tips. Thank you!

 

[T-J]

I know Chemiclean is an antibiotic, erythromycin. Would that work?

 

[Anthony Scholfield]

Hey my fellow reefers! I know a lot of us have used Cipro to treat bacterial infection in nems successfully. However, I have been having tissue recession with all my acans and 90% of my torches. My acans(10+ frags) had tissue recession and lost most of the flesh, but my torches have been receding more slowly. Parameters like Alk, Cal, Mg, Salinity, temp, PH, Phos, Nitrate are all normal, as I have Trident running. I tried dipping them in iodine, Coral RX, and even chemiclean but nothing helped. Wondering if anyone could help identify the potential cause?

I've heard from a few people that I should Cipro my display, since so many of my pieces are showing issues. Would you guys recommend this? If so, any instructions would be much appreciated in terms of amount, duration, and other tips. Thank you!

This may be of interest to you.

Thread 'Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease'

 

[kobetich]

little late but i would 10/10 recommend trying cipro. it doesn't affect your beneficial bacteria like everyone assumes, it actually will improve your biodiversity population. an unnamed bacteria in the family of acrobacter is known to be present when BJD is in your tank and will actually become the most abundant bacteria (in water column, not surfaces) and the bacteria that specialize in oxidizing nitrite and ammonia are out competed and become nearly undetectable in just the first day of infection. meaning your water becomes toxic quick which could explain why BJD works so fast once it shows itself. i believe that tissue recession and loss of polyp extension are signs of stress caused by bacterial infection and is early onset of BJD. actrobacter is known to be a nasty bacteria and cipro is very effective against bacteria in the acrobacter family (strains that effect humans/animals) in small doses and not strong enough to hurt anything else (small doses) allowing you biodiversity to stabilize. within 12 hours you will see PE improvement. 24 hours you should see a complete 180 in the infected corals. 10 days after first dose your tank will be back to normal.
now, i dont have any evidence to back this up but i use it all the time. i read a study a guy did on it and since then ive been using it. it hasnt ever failed me, as long as there is 1 head that doesnt have BJD visibly present you can save it. i have seen it kill BJD off in a matter of hours. if you can see jelly on the head it will probably die but ive had infected heads with jelly rubbing all over a head that hasnt nuked yet and was able to save it with cipro. never have i ever been able to save something like that before.
i will wait till my QT is full of coral then dose cipro prior to adding anything to DT. if you have ever had BJD you will have acrobacter in that tank until you kill it off and its a matter of time till something is stressed and cant fight it off. then you have an infection and that coral becomes a breeding ground for bacteria.
im no biologist but this stuff works for me and i dont thinks its one of those things that will work for 1 person and not the other. as long as you dose correctly. i use 500mg pill per 25g and i dose every other day for a total of 3 doses and doing small water change the day between each dose
not enough people know about this and i think more should. i think people get scared of it because its an antibiotic and bacteria is what makes a reef tank possible. if youre losing to bacterial infection, you wont have much to lose before long so why not try it?

 

[tundraguy1106]

little late but i would 10/10 recommend trying cipro. it doesn't affect your beneficial bacteria like everyone assumes, it actually will improve your biodiversity population. an unnamed bacteria in the family of acrobacter is known to be present when BJD is in your tank and will actually become the most abundant bacteria (in water column, not surfaces) and the bacteria that specialize in oxidizing nitrite and ammonia are out competed and become nearly undetectable in just the first day of infection. meaning your water becomes toxic quick which could explain why BJD works so fast once it shows itself. i believe that tissue recession and loss of polyp extension are signs of stress caused by bacterial infection and is early onset of BJD. actrobacter is known to be a nasty bacteria and cipro is very effective against bacteria in the acrobacter family (strains that effect humans/animals) in small doses and not strong enough to hurt anything else (small doses) allowing you biodiversity to stabilize. within 12 hours you will see PE improvement. 24 hours you should see a complete 180 in the infected corals. 10 days after first dose your tank will be back to normal.
now, i dont have any evidence to back this up but i use it all the time. i read a study a guy did on it and since then ive been using it. it hasnt ever failed me, as long as there is 1 head that doesnt have BJD visibly present you can save it. i have seen it kill BJD off in a matter of hours. if you can see jelly on the head it will probably die but ive had infected heads with jelly rubbing all over a head that hasnt nuked yet and was able to save it with cipro. never have i ever been able to save something like that before.
i will wait till my QT is full of coral then dose cipro prior to adding anything to DT. if you have ever had BJD you will have acrobacter in that tank until you kill it off and its a matter of time till something is stressed and cant fight it off. then you have an infection and that coral becomes a breeding ground for bacteria.
im no biologist but this stuff works for me and i dont thinks its one of those things that will work for 1 person and not the other. as long as you dose correctly. i use 500mg pill per 25g and i dose every other day for a total of 3 doses and doing small water change the day between each dose
not enough people know about this and i think more should. i think people get scared of it because its an antibiotic and bacteria is what makes a reef tank possible. if youre losing to bacterial infection, you wont have much to lose before long so why not try it?

Hi, I just read your comment. I’ve been struggling to keep corals alive over the past few months. Most LPS look great for 1-2 months then rapidly decline and ultimately their heads pop off (polyp bail out). I did notice a few months ago that some of these corals had BJD. I just tried cutting off the infected heads. I never saw signs of mass spreading and have continued assuming it was a lighting or flow issue. After reading your comment I’m thinking maybe it’s a bacteria. I do run a UV sterilizer 24/7. I have a 120 gallon tank with a 40 gallon sump. Approximately 140 gallons of water volume. Do you know if UV sterilizers have any affect on this acrobacter? Also does cipro affect invertebrates or fish? Also where can I purchase an aquarium safe version of this?
Thank you

 

[Anthony Scholfield]

Hi, I just read your comment. I’ve been struggling to keep corals alive over the past few months. Most LPS look great for 1-2 months then rapidly decline and ultimately their heads pop off (polyp bail out). I did notice a few months ago that some of these corals had BJD. I just tried cutting off the infected heads. I never saw signs of mass spreading and have continued assuming it was a lighting or flow issue. After reading your comment I’m thinking maybe it’s a bacteria. I do run a UV sterilizer 24/7. I have a 120 gallon tank with a 40 gallon sump. Approximately 140 gallons of water volume. Do you know if UV sterilizers have any affect on this acrobacter? Also does cipro affect invertebrates or fish? Also where can I purchase an aquarium safe version of this?
Thank you

Go read this thread! It will have all the info you need. I’m not sure why it isn’t creating a link but type the title into the search bar and you will find it.

Thread 'Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease'

 

[tundraguy1106]

Go read this thread! It will have all the info you need. I’m not sure why it isn’t creating a link but type the title into the search bar and you will find it.

Thread 'Experimenting with in-tank antibiotic treatments for Brown Jelly Disease'

Didn’t see anything on affects you invertebrates….

 

[Anthony Scholfield]

Didn’t see anything on affects you invertebrates….

As far as I know it does not affect inverts. Are there specific inverts you’re concerned about?

 

[tundraguy1106]

As far as I know it does not affect inverts. Are there specific inverts you’re concerned about?

Well I mean my tank is full of snails (large Mexican turbos, trochus, nassarius, Nerites. A few blood shrimp, conches, urchins. I also have a few gorgonians. Needless to say enough that if they all died 1. I’d be upset to lose them all and 2. It would cause one heck of a spike in my tank and probably kill all my expensive fish.

 

[dvgyfresh]

I dosed cipro daily for 10 days 250mg , I experienced no losses or any signs of ill effects. I did it to save some GBTA that were showing decline and it worked! They all healed

 

[tundraguy1106]

I dosed cipro daily for 10 days 250mg , I experienced no losses or any signs of ill effects. I did it to save some GBTA that were showing decline and it worked! They all healed

Just ordered a bottle of 500mg pills from Allivet this morning. Will start treatment when they arrive. Currently losing a blasto as we speak! SMH

 

[Goldenvue]

Is it a must to turn off skimmer? Also I bought the 500 tabs from chewys.

 

[dvgyfresh]

Is it a must to turn off skimmer? Also I bought the 500 tabs from chewys.

Turn off skimmer or leave on without collection cup and remove all chemical filtration / carbon

 

[tundraguy1106]

Turn off skimmer or leave on without collection cup and remove all chemical filtration / carbon

Hey where did you come up with your dosage for cipro treatment. Everything I’m reading states .125mg/L every other day for 3 doses. Also did you turn your lights off as I’ve read that affects the medication? Did you do any water changes and on what days? I have the 500mg pills, planning on starting treatment tonight.

thanks

 

[dvgyfresh]

Hey where did you come up with your dosage for cipro treatment. Everything I’m reading states .125mg/L every other day for 3 doses. Also did you turn your lights off as I’ve read that affects the medication? Did you do any water changes and on what days? I have the 500mg pills, planning on starting treatment tonight.

thanks

Me myself and I lol
I only dosed during lights out because the light would hinder it. I didn’t perform any water changes even after completing treatment. I started with an initial dose of 500mg to kickstart then 250mg daily for 10 days. I think that cipro is overall beneficial and I had no I’ll effects on anything

 

[tundraguy1106]

Me myself and I lol
I only dosed during lights out because the light would hinder it. I didn’t perform any water changes even after completing treatment. I started with an initial dose of 500mg to kickstart then 250mg daily for 10 days. I think that cipro is overall beneficial and I had no I’ll effects on anything

Lol….What’s your tank size?

 

[dvgyfresh]

Lol….What’s your tank size?

About 50g of water total

 

[tundraguy1106]

About 50g of water total

Ok I’m doing about 140 gallons of total water volume. Did your phosphates go up?

 

[dvgyfresh]

No effects on parameters for me , maybe a bit more green algae on glass

 

[tundraguy1106]

No effects on parameters for me , maybe a bit more green algae on glass

You think I need to keep my refugium light off too? I have chaeto in there running opposite schedule.