Trident vs Hydros X10+IVPro

[Hincapiej4]

If you are going to do multiple test per day for alkalinity then you would still want to go with the iV since the test water can be emptied back into the tank if you want and the reagent will be a lot less expensive than the Maven. The Maven test water cannot go back to the tank so you will need to add saltwater to replace what was used for testing. Also you can get a simple doser and hook that to the second drive port on the X10 like I did and use it as the drain pump. Then use 2 of the X10 pumps for the fill and reagent pumps. I dose All For Reef and a KH buffer with the other 2 pumps. I did have the X10 setup stand alone for a while but I now have it in the collective with other controllers.

Omg, you actually explained that in a way that made sense to me.

Is the x10 able to adjust its dosing depending on the tests like the dos/trident can? I too used to dose all for reef and an alk buffer separately. Just want to make sure if I grab this controller, that it can do that. This is the only thing im worried about and it's a deal breaker for me.

 

[n2585722]

Omg, you actually explained that in a way that made sense to me.

Is the x10 able to adjust its dosing depending on the tests like the dos/trident can? I too used to dose all for reef and an alk buffer separately. Just want to make sure if I grab this controller, that it can do that. This is the only thing im worried about and it's a deal breaker for me.

It can dynamically dose based on an input. I do my KH buffer based on the alkalinity reading. unfortunately right now my Internet service is out and I can only comment using my phone. I will post more when I get it back which will probably be tomorrow.

 

[jmcdona6]

Omg, you actually explained that in a way that made sense to me.

Is the x10 able to adjust its dosing depending on the tests like the dos/trident can? I too used to dose all for reef and an alk buffer separately. Just want to make sure if I grab this controller, that it can do that. This is the only thing im worried about and it's a deal breaker for me.

You can and it's actually way easier than the Apex to setup. Here is a screen shot of my setup for reference.

No coding logic. Just set your guard rails and how many times a day you want it to dose. Too easy...

 

[Hincapiej4]

You can and it's actually way easier than the Apex to setup. Here is a screen shot of my setup for reference.

No coding logic. Just set your guard rails and how many times a day you want it to dose. Too easy...

Maybe my memory is worse than I thought. I can't make sense of that and I don't remember how I had my apex set.

The piece that's confusing me is the total dose per pump portion.

ALSO I just saw that the new module coming out and test AND dose for you. So depending on what I want, don't even need the x10.

 

[DrkNMighty]

Maybe my memory is worse than I thought. I can't make sense of that and I don't remember how I had my apex set.

The piece that's confusing me is the total dose per pump portion.

ALSO I just saw that the new module coming out and test AND dose for you. So depending on what I want, don't even need the x10.

I don't have an x10 but it looks like it is saying:

• If test shows Alk is lower than the set range then dose 36ml
• If test shows Alk is higher than the set range then dose 0ml
• If test is invalid then dose 6ml

 

[Hincapiej4]

I don't have an x10 but it looks like it is saying:

• If test shows Alk is lower than the set range then dose 36ml
• If test shows Alk is higher than the set range then dose 0ml
• If test is invalid then dose 6ml

Gotcha. That doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

I don't remember how I had the apex set..
I feel like it would be better if you could how much to dose per .10 dkh or something.

I don't know, im probably over thinking it. I guess technically you COULD do the math that wya yourself and enter the amount. Then it'll just keep dosing until it gets back in range after each test. Just dial it in over time.

I wonder if there is a way to set if lower than (set amount) then dose (amount), then test (parameter) repeat until in (range)

 

[n2585722]

Maybe my memory is worse than I thought. I can't make sense of that and I don't remember how I had my apex set.

The piece that's confusing me is the total dose per pump portion.

ALSO I just saw that the new module coming out and test AND dose for you. So depending on what I want, don't even need the x10.

The total dose is the total amount dosed for the complete schedule. So if you have a dose count of 4 it would be divided 4 doses that total up to the total dose. Also if you have the dose count set to 4. It divides the schedule duration into 4 equal sections and doses at the beginning of each. This is so you can setup schedules back to back if you want to use multiple schedules. But when dynamic dosing it will vary the dose between the minimum and maximum based on the reading and where it is between the minimum and maximum reading. If it goes out of the minimum r maximum reading range then it will dose either minimum or maximum depending on which way it goes out. I have 4 separate schedule for my KH buffer dosing depending on the time of the day depends on the limits of the dose. Below is a log of my KH pump output. Below that is the morning schedule.

 

[jmcdona6]

Gotcha. That doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

I don't remember how I had the apex set..
I feel like it would be better if you could how much to dose per .10 dkh or something.

I don't know, im probably over thinking it. I guess technically you COULD do the math that wya yourself and enter the amount. Then it'll just keep dosing until it gets back in range after each test. Just dial it in over time.

I wonder if there is a way to set if lower than (set amount) then dose (amount), then test (parameter) repeat until in (range)

The dosing scales in the programming. At the max range it doses zero. At the bottom of the range it will dose 36ml. At the middle, it would be roughly 18ml. In reality it is doing this calculation/assessment however many times a day you dose.

So I dose six times a day, or 6ml max per dose. If I am under 8.0 it doses the full 6ml. The next time it is time to dose say dKH has increased to 8.5. It will only dose 3ml. Say next time its 8.25 it will dose 4.5ml. It isn't swinging between 0 and 36. It is scaling the dose based on the range you provided and the amount of times you dose throughout the day.

It does a decent job. My tank averages around 8.6 dKH without ever going above 9 or below 8. No swings larger than .25 between tests (I test 4x per day).

With APEX I had the same thing setup, but I had to have a logic for X amount if below this, X amount if between this, X amount if between this, etc. etc. If I wanted to adjust something I had to go to the computer application and revamp the code. With Hydros I just increase/decrease my mL dosing in the app and hit save.

 

[Hincapiej4]

The dosing scales in the programming. At the max range it doses zero. At the bottom of the range it will dose 36ml. At the middle, it would be roughly 18ml. In reality it is doing this calculation/assessment however many times a day you dose.

So I dose six times a day, or 6ml max per dose. If I am under 8.0 it doses the full 6ml. The next time it is time to dose say dKH has increased to 8.5. It will only dose 3ml. Say next time its 8.25 it will dose 4.5ml. It isn't swinging between 0 and 36. It is scaling the dose based on the range you provided and the amount of times you dose throughout the day.

It does a decent job. My tank averages around 8.6 dKH without ever going above 9 or below 8. No swings larger than .25 between tests (I test 4x per day).

With APEX I had the same thing setup, but I had to have a logic for X amount if below this, X amount if between this, X amount if between this, etc. etc. If I wanted to adjust something I had to go to the computer application and revamp the code. With Hydros I just increase/decrease my mL dosing in the app and hit save.

Ah! Yes, that sounds more like it!

Thanks for taking the time and clarifying. I was just worrying about the age old "how stable can we make it" you know?

I'm very excited about the possibilities. Honestly, the hydro looks so much more premium than the apex. I'm just hoping it works well.

 

[n2585722]

Ah! Yes, that sounds more like it!

Thanks for taking the time and clarifying. I was just worrying about the age old "how stable can we make it" you know?

I'm very excited about the possibilities. Honestly, the hydro looks so much more premium than the apex. I'm just hoping it works well.

Here is a bar graph of my latest test. It also has 2 Hanna test both done on Sundays. I test 4 times a day. A AWC is also scheduled after each test and then the dosing after that. So each is done 4 times a day.

 

[jmcdona6]

Ah! Yes, that sounds more like it!

Thanks for taking the time and clarifying. I was just worrying about the age old "how stable can we make it" you know?

I'm very excited about the possibilities. Honestly, the hydro looks so much more premium than the apex. I'm just hoping it works well.

It's pretty cheap to test, so you could theoretically do 24 tests per day and split your dosing the same...thats probably overkill though. I think you could be as stable as you wanted within the limits of random testing error and natural changes in dkh/ph throughout the day.

 

[Hincapiej4]

Here is a bar graph of my latest test. It also has 2 Hanna test both done on Sundays. I test 4 times a day. A AWC is also scheduled after each test and then the dosing after that. So each is done 4 times a day.

What are you tracking that in? Looks like an apex graph to me.

 

[Hincapiej4]

It's pretty cheap to test, so you could theoretically do 24 tests per day and split your dosing the same...thats probably overkill though. I think you could be as stable as you wanted within the limits of random testing error and natural changes in dkh/ph throughout the day.

Yea. Though 24 is probably over kill.
I don't know how much the reagents for the hydro are

 

[n2585722]

What are you tracking that in? Looks like an apex graph to me.

That is a chart in Excel.

 

[jmcdona6]

Yea. Though 24 is probably over kill.
I don't know how much the reagents for the hydro are

I haven't bothered to math it out exactly....and it varies depending on your dkh level of course...but for me it's roughly 10-15 cents per test. I think if I bought the larger 4L concentrated bottles I could lower it even further.

 

[n2585722]

Yea. Though 24 is probably over kill.
I don't know how much the reagents for the hydro are

Here is a link to the concentrate for the alkalinity testing in the iV https://store.coralvue.com/alkalinity-testing-machine-concentrated-reagent

 

[Hincapiej4]

That is a chart in Excel.

Haha hilarious. I don't use excel so straight over my head.

 

[Hincapiej4]

I haven't bothered to math it out exactly....and it varies depending on your dkh level of course...but for me it's roughly 10-15 cents per test. I think if I bought the larger 4L concentrated bottles I could lower it even further.

Dannng that's cheap.

 

[SlowAndStupid]

I make my own concentrate and it's cheap. Very easy to do.

Alkatronic Reagent - Lifetime Supply for $22!

 

[Hincapiej4]

I make my own concentrate and it's cheap. Very easy to do.

Alkatronic Reagent - Lifetime Supply for $22!

wow, you know, I didn't realize people were doing this.

The hydros actually is able to use this to test? How does that work? Make the concentrate, mix so it's reagent(??), test with a hanna, calibrate the hydro, and it's good to go?