Vibrant by UWC testing

[jason2459]

Day 23 6x doses @ 140ml total

Cyano cut back a bit more again. I'm actually not going to have to clean my glass tonight. The hair algae over the pump still looks healthy.

 

[Brew12]

I've written on organics in aquaria, but not on the effects of adding different organics.

Organic Compounds in the Reef Aquarium by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-10/rhf/index.htm

Thanks Randy, this is fantastic! Too much for me to absorb in one sitting but it is exactly what I was looking for.

 

[Brew12]

I'm finding this interesting. On Saturday I decided to stop using Vibrant after 6 weeks. I had also been dosing H2O2 for around a week, 1ml/10gal twice a day. My next dose of Vibrant would have been due on Sunday. In addition, I pulled out my relatively fresh GFO Saturday evening.

My cyano seems to be showing no change for having stopped the H2O2 or discontinuing the Vibrant. It may even be getting a little better. Just not quite sure what to make of this yet.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

I'm finding this interesting. On Saturday I decided to stop using Vibrant after 6 weeks. I had also been dosing H2O2 for around a week, 1ml/10gal twice a day. My next dose of Vibrant would have been due on Sunday. In addition, I pulled out my relatively fresh GFO Saturday evening.

My cyano seems to be showing no change for having stopped the H2O2 or discontinuing the Vibrant. It may even be getting a little better. Just not quite sure what to make of this yet.

usually change is EXTREMELY slow in a tank.
vibrant is the fist thing Ive seen to actually work fast. thus the concern as to what exactly is.
peroxide doesnt work fast, no pox, gfo, carbon dosing. even overfeeding takes time to materialise the results.
chemiclean being the exception, but we know why it does what it does.

 

[jason2459]

I'm finding this interesting. On Saturday I decided to stop using Vibrant after 6 weeks. I had also been dosing H2O2 for around a week, 1ml/10gal twice a day. My next dose of Vibrant would have been due on Sunday. In addition, I pulled out my relatively fresh GFO Saturday evening.

My cyano seems to be showing no change for having stopped the H2O2 or discontinuing the Vibrant. It may even be getting a little better. Just not quite sure what to make of this yet.

If vibrant is fueling the cyano then a reduction of cyano could be expected if you stop dosing vibrant.

Or your growing something else that vibrant was out competing and is now out competing the cyano.

Just a couple thoughts. Way to many variables to know 100%

 

[jason2459]

that is a dead giveaway when first opened
I can not go into the purpose I just state my findings.
SG of 1.037.. ? Sodium
Time to reduce this

I got 1.037 as well

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I got 1.037 as well

With what method?

 

[jason2459]

With what method?

Veegee seawater refractometer

 

[Brew12]

Veegee seawater refractometer

If it has oil in it, won't that heavily skew the results?

 

[jason2459]

If it has oil in it, won't that heavily skew the results?

I wouldn't say skew since I don't really know what's in it. If I was testing seawater and expecting seawater yes. Right now it's just a data point to me.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

It is has oil in it, then I'd quite disappointed with the ingredients list.

 

[twilliard]

It is has oil in it, then I'd quite disappointed with the ingredients list.

Only by smell Randy. I have no method of extracting oils. This is protected by the "3.5% other ingredients" I assume.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Only by smell Randy. I have no method of extracting oils. This is protected by the "3.5% other ingredients" I assume.

I certainly interpret

"3.5% Other Ingredients (RO/DI Water)"

To mean RO/DI water only. If it is other things in that 3.5%, that is terribly misleading.

 

[Newtybar]

Great thread - I just read through it all.

For me, the bottom line is that my tank looks way better after 4 weeks of 1x per week lol.

 

[twilliard]

I certainly interpret

"3.5% Other Ingredients (RO/DI Water)"

To mean RO/DI water only. If it is other things in that 3.5%, that is terribly misleading.

My bottle doesnt state the RO/DI water. Hmm?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

They say the 3.5% is water only

 

[twilliard]

They say the 3.5% is water only

Thats when I say "alrighty then!"

 

[jason2459]

Can you clarify the wording of the web site?

http://www.uwcmn.com/product-page/0c984147-33f1-2b99-c7bc-a5fbe555923a

Vibrant Liquid Aquarium Cleaner Ingredients -
95% Cultured Bacteria Blend
1% Amino Acids (Aspartic Acid)
0.5% Vinegar - This is used as the preservative
3.5% Other Ingredients (RO/DI Water)

Obviously there is a lot of water in the bacteria blend, but is the 3.5% meant to be only RO/DI, or is RO/DI just one of many ingredients in that 3.5%?

Only RO/DI

Thanks Randy.


That leaves the Bacteria Culture blend to be the unknown.

 

[jason2459]

And from this statement it seems UWC is acknowledging glucose/agar

Well, here is why we have never explained exactly what goes into the culture. We have created a product like nothing else on the market that truly works like it says it does and there are a million companies who would love to just have all the info on what is used, what actual bacterias are we blending, etc. These questions have been asked so many times as people can't seem to grasp the fact that this product can rid the nastiest algae forms, Dinos and cyano, etc.

Of course we would like to spell this out for everyone but it is not in our best interest obviously.

People don't really need to know about glucose, agar or what it takes to actual culture the bacterias. What I will say is the small amount that goes into each dose is absolutely not fueling people's cyano. If you go back and read through this thread or google Vibrant aquarium cleaner and read through the threads from around the world, you'll notice there is a pretty big difference between everyone's tank and how they and their tanks handle the nutrients from ridding their algaes and cyano is not a common phenomenon. If the glucose caused people to get cyano, absolutely everyone would have it and that is not the case but it sure can seem like it, in a thread like this where people post, post about it again two pages later, etc.

The bottle states dose 1ml per 10 gallons one time per week, but for ridding bad algae issues, there is no issue dosing 2x per week.

 

[jason2459]

Though I would propose it is possible that little amount may be helping to fuel some cyano. May not be the only cause but it is a source of food. But will see how long my cyano lasts for. If it lasts to much longer (couple months) and then dies out I will have no idea if its the vibrant or my tank just adjusting that could have happened with or with out the vibrant.

I think after this week I'll cut back to once a week dosing.