That's rather what I figured which is why I didn't go. Not to come off as old-mr-grouchy and all but these show really do seem like trade shows, and I've spent more of my life at trades shows than I care to admit. I went to the first few MACNAS all those years ago and they were cool; intimate, got to chat with friends and acquaintances .... there wasn't quite so much bald face hawking of stuff like it seems to be now. Seems like everyone and their mother is selling frags now ..... all under blue lights. Yawn! Do they do any panel discussions with experts, long time reefers, etc.? Those still have some appeal to me. If I were starting out in the hobby I'd absolutely go, as an unsociable curmudgeon :D who hates crowds I think I'll pass.