What makes you believe?

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A little while ago my wife was asking how to be "saved". She had a bunch of questions for me; one of the interesting questions was "How do you know there is a God?"

I thought it was a great question and it ended up taking a very deep/long response from me.

So what makes you believe/How do YOU know there is a God?
 
I'll try to explain a little of my story to my wife on why I believe...

I first asked her to look at my fish tank (yep! I really did). I told her to look at the colors and look at how everything has a job/purpose. Look how everything works and how one or two little changes to the tank would cause everything to fail; they're a awesome, but very fragile creation. They're just like us (humans) in how magnificiant they are, but very fragile. We usually only see the outside of each other, but the awesomeness of the inside of our bodies is even more impressive--everything has a purpose. You could say that we are beautiful in the way that we're created and that the way things seem to work is amazing and perfect.

I then talked to her about the scientific explination of the Earth's creation.. I discussed how many billions of years ago it was believed to happen and how there was literally a mass of heat/energy that somehow formed everything we see. If you actually read about Earth's creation, you'll find that it is a very coincidental accident that just happened to work out. The way that life on our planet just accidentally happened makes it just about impossible to happen again elsewhere in the universe...so my answer to her was: Do we assume that this explaination on an amazing accident? or do we believe that God is the creator? Honestly, and in my opinion, God is a much more realistic thought than the science explination.

I told her how God actually answers my prayers. She said that she prays, but her prayers aren't answered. I told her that sometimes you don't realize that your prayers are being answered and it's easy to assume that things just "worked out"...and it's easy to forget that God was the one that helped us through our issues... has anybody ever prayed to win the lottery? I bet that prayer wasn't answered the way you thought it would be, but you're still financially ok and you're not suffering because of money. God does test us and sees how strong we are--we need to pass his tests.

Finally, I told her that I read the Bible and it really opened my eyes. Things tend to make a lot of sense when you read the Bible and take the words literally instead of adding "maybes & what ifs".

This is what I told my wife when she asked me why I believe.
 
Well no one KNOWS for sure. That is impossible. Even people who say they definitely know may think they do but they don't really.

I believe there is a God, not really sure why. I guess you are taught it as a child, then you have to soul search as an adult and try to figure out what makes sense to you.

I love Ralph Waldo Emerson's quote: "God enters by a private door to every individual."

Spirituality is a different thing to everyone. There is no one religion or belief process that is the best for everyone on the planet.

The whole "SAVED" thing is a totally different animal. Being SAVED was created by Paul and the early church. Jesus never said you have to be SAVED. People made that up. Paul never even knew Jesus and changed or left out many of his teachings.
 
Being "saved" is really just a general way of saying that I believe in and trust God and I believe/understand that God gave his only son to die for my sins. Basically it stems from John 3:16.
 
Being "saved" is really just a general way of saying that I believe in and trust God and I believe/understand that God gave his only son to die for my sins. Basically it stems from John 3:16.

I know where it comes from. But it's nonsense, no offense. It doesn't mean anything according to the teachings of Jesus.

This guy nails it on the head imho:

The Central Difference

The central difference between Yeshua's teaching and Paul's church was in justification by faith. Paul believed the statement in Ephesians 2:8: "You have been saved by God's love and kindness because you believed. It was not because of anything you did, but it was a gift from God."

Yeshua said repeatedly what was reported in John 3:3: "'I tell you the truth. No person can see God's kingdom if he is not born again.'" And in another form in Luke 17:20-21: "The kingdom of God does not come visibly, nor will people say 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you." Humankind was to develop its own salvation by changing within. No one would give it to a person as a gift.

Yeshua promised the transformation would require work: "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7: 13-14) Spiritual development, Yeshua assured us, was going to be hard. He described the thought and behavior that should be characteristic of a spiritual person, but said it would take work to attain it. He never suggested that all a person had to do was swear allegiance to him and nothing else would be required.

A few passages later in Matthew, Yeshua is reported to have said, "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash." (Matthew 7: 24-27)

Yeshua gave the blueprint, but it would require that those receiving it build the house by putting the lessons "into practice." That means someone might hear the words and have the belief in Yeshua as the Messiah so they build a house on the words, but if the person doesn't grow spiritually, the words are meaningless--they have a foundation of sand, Yeshua said. He made a point of contrasting the two approaches to his teaching: belief is not sufficient, he said; spiritual growth is necessary.

Yeshua asserts elsewhere that simply making a statement of belief is insufficient to achieve what he describes: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (Matthew 7:21-27) Evildoers is an appropriate name for many in the church today who confess belief, but whose actions defy Yeshua's words about living in love; that is especially true of those who sexually abuse children or protect the perpetrators.

Yeshua states explicitly that the person who will live in the kingdom of God that is within, for eternity, is the one who loves God and loves his neighbor:

On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
"What is written in the Law?" [Jesus] replied. "How do you read it?"

He answered: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind"; and, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live." (Luke 10:25-37)

Yeshua makes no mention of believing in him as the Messiah as a requirement to inherit eternal life, even when asked directly what one must do!

Because a believer in Paul's church needed only make a statement of belief to fulfill all the requirements of Paul's Christianity, no expectation of spiritual growth was included in the new church. Not surprisingly, after two millennia of Paul's church, little advancement in spiritual maturity among Christians and in the church as a whole has resulted. Neither the church nor the believers have been able to see the kingdom of God within as Yeshua described it. The societies founded on Paul's teaching bear no resemblance to the kingdom of God in Yeshua's teaching.
 
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Well, it's not nonsense at all. What would someone do who doesn't know God? An example would be a tribe on another country. By helping people understand and asking them to be "saved" and them describing their love for God, is exactly what the Bible says will offer eternal life..doesn't it?

To say that you need to go to someone and be saved isn't the case. You can be saved in your living room, by yourself, all alone. Again, being saved is a term used to say exactly what you pointed out in your quote.

To go to Heaven, you must be saved and being saved means that you believe, trust, and love God and all he has done for you/the world. It's to be filled with God and have your body as a tool to do God's work.

To do God's work, you must follow the rules he has written so plainly for us.

So, it's not really nonsense.
 
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Well, it's not nonsense at all. What would someone do who doesn't know God? An example would be a tribe on another country. By helping people understand and asking them to be "saved" and them describing their love for God, is exactly what the Bible says will offer eternal life..doesn't it?

To say that you need to go to someone and be saved isn't the case. You can be saved in your living room, by yourself, all alone. Again, being saved is a term used to say exactly what you pointed out in your quote.

To go to Heaven, you must be saved and being saved means that you believe, trust, and love God and all he has done for you/the world. It's to be filled with God and have your body as a tool to do God's work.

To do God's work, you must follow the rules he has written so plainly for us.

So, it's not really nonsense.

We are thinking along somewhat similar lines but many/most Christians run around throwing that Saved term around like it's some huge deal that you asked Jesus to save you in your head and all is good. Jesus never taught that, but the Christian churches today and even back then taught it and it's silly.

Jesus wanted internal awakening/spirituality on earth through people helping others. That's all God wanted.
 
It's all a matter of semantics. You can call it saved, living your life like Jesus intended, born again or whatever you want but as long as we are accomplishing the same thing at the end then nothing is silly. I am Catholic but have learned that you can learn a lot from every religion. I have friends that are "saved" and they tell me it's not just enough to say you are saved but must show it every day in how you live your life. When I was young, I was taught I needed to accept Jesus but if I did not live the life that he intended me to live then they were just empty words.

"The Gospels show that Yeshua taught acceptance, love, tolerance, and compassion, without judgment of others."
 
It's all a matter of semantics. You can call it saved, living your life like Jesus intended, born again or whatever you want but as long as we are accomplishing the same thing at the end then nothing is silly. I am Catholic but have learned that you can learn a lot from every religion. I have friends that are "saved" and they tell me it's not just enough to say you are saved but must show it every day in how you live your life. When I was young, I was taught I needed to accept Jesus but if I did not live the life that he intended me to live then they were just empty words.

"The Gospels show that Yeshua taught acceptance, love, tolerance, and compassion, without judgment of others."

Awesome! +1

Exactly, being saved isn't a bullet proof vest...you can't go murder & **** people and then say "ok, I'm ready for heaven now!"
 
A little while ago my wife was asking how to be "saved". She had a bunch of questions for me; one of the interesting questions was "How do you know there is a God?"

I thought it was a great question and it ended up taking a very deep/long response from me.

So what makes you believe/How do YOU know there is a God?

Just makes sense to me.


explanation: Accepting God (or not) is an assuption you use in your logic system. It cannot be proven one way or the other but rather just accepted as true.

my .02
 
Just makes sense to me.


explanation: Accepting God (or not) is an assuption you use in your logic system. It cannot be proven one way or the other but rather just accepted as true.

my .02

If it could be proven, or if God showed up and appeared on the 9 o'clock news, do you think that people would still question it and not believe?
 
If it could be proven, or if God showed up and appeared on the 9 o'clock news, do you think that people would still question it and not believe?
Sure

but in order to prove God one must first accept other assumptions.

Like the guy on the 900 news is God. :wink:
 

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