White worm breeding and culture.

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In any case, a worm breeding direction thread is not the place to continue this merry go round. For that reason, I’ll leave this thread and pick up somewhere else in the future if it seems justified. :)
 
I purposely stayed out of that as I had nothing to add no experience at all. I did research about any immunity facts . There are none. I did read that a daily diet of white worms is not a good idea . Do you agree ? The same for black ones . However Grindal worms are an exception , and are available. They are raised the same way as your method with one exception which I thought interesting . Instead of you web method , they recommended a solid piece of plastic , Or acrylic . anything like that . And the food is put on top. Apparently it stops the mold ( smell from forming . The worms are underneath and come on top to feed then retreat back under it . You just spray the underneath of your shoe box lid to keep things moist. Are you familiar with this at all ?
 
Who else claims that the bacteria in terrestrial white worms usefully boosts the immune system of marine fish?

Is there is single one paragraph study anywhere? No need to exaggerate the requirement. Any evidence would be welcome.
There is also no single paragraph saying that worms do not boost the immune system.
All you have is the former. Nothing you have done supports the idea that white worms boost the immune system of marine fish.
Nothing I have done supports that worms are harmful or not beneficial
You all seem to find it easiest to criticize my position by mischaracterizing it.
I personally have never criticized you and respect that you know a lot more than I do as far as chemistry, Just like I am probably a better electrician than you.

I use white worms as part of a set of methods I use, and my fish do not have apparent diseases. One possibly contributing factor is the hypothesis that the white worms help boost the fish immune system
I have said numerous times that worms are only "one" method that raises immunity. Worms alone won't do it.
 
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There is also no single paragraph saying that worms do not boost the immune system.
I said I would depart this thread and leave it to wormers, but I will post one last thing because that statement of yours indicates that you missed my point entirely.

I agree. There is also no paragraph that says dogs do not live in a colony on Venus. Hence, if I assert it, does that make it true?

Does that make someone asking for evidence of such a colony required to post evidence that it is not true?


It is always incumbent on someone making a claim to somehow back it up,. As I noted, I am not saying it does not do what you claim. I just don’t know since there is not apparently any evidence anywhere one way or the other.

That would certainly stop me from making the claim without indicating that it is a hypothesis without direct evidence, but that is how we are different.

 
Many will have seen my long running post on breeding pods outdoors in summer which got lots of views and questions.

I thought I would turn my attention onto how I breed and feed white worms.
White worms are one of the best foods you can feed your fish and few fish will turn their noses up at being offered them.

White worm cultures to get you started are cheap and available to buy here in the UK and US. I used one of if not the best suppliers of white worms I have found mail order in the UK.

I currently have 4 sandwich boxes on the go breeding white worms. They are are cheap to buy measuring around 10" X 7". To each sealed top I drill about 12 small.holes to add air to the culture. Hole size about 1 to 2 millimeters is all.you need, in fact you could just pierce the lid with a sharp instrument like a bradal.

You could just use a small nail or panel pin and hammer to make the holes. Be sure to put a block of wood under the lid when making your holes or you might split it.

For media you can use well rotted garden compost, compost or manure from a garden centre. Well rotted manure does not smell as you may expect and is the best media but any of the above will do.

Here's how I set a culture up.
Purchase a bag for each culture you wish to start. I recommend at least 3 so you can rotate feeding from each. Much depends on how often you want to feed and how many tanks you have.

After drilling the holes in the lid add your compost and spread it out to around 2" thick. The compost needs to be moist but not soaking wet. I use a small handheld spray bottle. Rainwater is better than tap.water to use for thus.
Open your newly purchased culture and spread it it on top of the compost.

If you wish you can add pieces of nylon net I use some had left over from my ATS. The next is 7 point screen as used in embroidery. You lay this on top of the culture. Worms will gather on it and its a simple task to dip them into the DT to feed.

The worms will fall off immediately they are submerged in the water. Be sure to rinse the screen in tap water to remove the salt from it. You can put worms in fresh water to keep for a few days should you wish. I don't tend to rinse my worms in water before feeding but some do. A little bit of compost off the worms won't do any harm in the DT

To feed the worms you can feed many things from small pieces of bread to oats plain Greek style yogurt. I have used brewers years flakes recently which the worms like. It will take you a little while to establish how much to feed and how often.

If you feed too much then food may go moldy. If so just remove it and add fresh feed. In the beginning check your cultures every day and at least every other day once established, every day being preferable.

After sometime you may find the culture not doing so well or you have so many worms you may want to start a fresh culture. One way of telling to to smell the culture, it shouldn't smell much at all. Any bad smell then replace much of the compost with fresh. Collect as many worms as possible, many gather around the edge and on the top.

Be sure to split them before they crash. Knowing when to so a plut and start a new culture will come to you in time. Remember the smell test above. All you need to do is split the culture into 2 or 3 portions and add as per starting from new above.

Keep your cultures in a cool dark place away from any heat. Ideal temperature is around 16C.to 18C if you can provide it.

Here are a few photo's and a video to help illustrate the above.
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I don't have access to a growing area in the recommended temperature range. Is it possible to grow a culture in the refrigerator?
 
I don't have access to a growing area in the recommended temperature range. Is it possible to grow a culture in the refrigerator?
Sorry too cold for a refrigerator. However. You can used a cool box with a mains input. Run it on a timer as Paul does 15mins on 30 mins off. I bought one recently secondhand cheaply. We haven't hit summer yet here in the UK so I haven't had to use it yet.
 
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There is also no paragraph that says dogs do not live in a colony on Venus. Hence, if I assert it, does that make it true?
I don't know as I have never been to Venus. 😀

I also can't prove anything about worms good or bad, and neither can anyone else.
I can just go by my almost 70 years of using live worms for my fish and I have kept and spawned just about everything successfully. Maybe worms are detrimental,
Who knows?

And if I find someone who feeds freeze dried parakeets to fish and they have an older, more successful tank, I will look for parakeets.

Remember Randy. We are not arguing, just discussing because there are no absolutes in this or most hobbies where living creatures are involved and neither one of us has anything to prove. 😎
 
I don't have access to a growing area in the recommended temperature range. Is it possible to grow a culture in the refrigerator?
A lot of people use wine coolers to keep them in because a refrigerator gets too cold.
I was to cheap to buy a wine cooler but I had an old mini fridge sitting around so much like @atoll mentioned I run mine on a timer so that it keeps the fridge cool, but doesnt run long enough to get the temperature too cold.

I think I only let mine run 15 minutes every 2 hours, but my mini fridge is in a room that is cool enough I really dont even need it. I have other cultures growing well that are not in the fridge.
 
Like I said was reading about them. It was suggested that you cannot feed them to fish daily . Do You? If not what is your weekly menu ?
By the way the juice seems to help . I am just figuring out what is the best time to drink it for me . I want to do it on a empty stomach for better absorption
 
All manner of foods from my pods in summer. Brine shrimp nupli. Frozen foods like copepods, rotterfers, mysis, frozen brine shrimp with omega 3, frozen small krill. Live mussel in the shell I freeze then defrost, just crack open and drop in the tank in the shell. Frozen squid, fish roe, scallops. I may have missed 1 or 2 out. I make enough food up for about 3 or 4 days to which I add a few drops of cod liver oil.
 
Once all defrosted I add a little water and put into this feeder. I allow the cod liver oil to soak into the foods for a few hours in the fridge. I broadcast feed 3 times a day.
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My Fish are obviously not happy with just flakes
Take the box of flakes and very gently pick them up and put them in the garbage. They are useless for anything except to feed to your worms. Never use any foods that do not have living bacteria in them or foods with more than one ingredient like clam, worm, fish etc.
 
All manner of foods from my pods in summer. Brine shrimp nupli. Frozen foods like copepods, rotterfers, mysis, frozen brine shrimp with omega 3, frozen small krill. Live mussel in the shell I freeze then defrost, just crack open and drop in the tank in the shell. Frozen squid, fish roe, scallops. I may have missed 1 or 2 out. I make enough food up for about 3 or 4 days to which I add a few drops of cod liver oil.
Cod Liver Oil. Nice Touch
 
Take the box of flakes and very gently pick them up and put them in the garbage. They are useless for anything except to feed to your worms. Never use any foods that do not have living bacteria in them or foods with more than one ingredient like clam, worm, fish etc.
Did You do Your Seafood Dinner Yet ? I did it once for my wife's Family all from Farming Stock . They were a little taken back by a guy doing it. Since I cooked since I was 12 I did not even think about how it would look . I used to do breakfast on Sunday morning for my family . I tired doing Cherry Jubilee once . I did not know how to light the Brandy , Kept trying . So it ended up a very memorable Breakfast😇
 

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