Why is there no competitors to the sea swirl?

[tdyrkacz]

Interesting. I have 2 6255s in my tank and am considering putting them on the sea sweep same as you. My main reason is eliminating dead spots. I thought about the gyre, but don't like the idea of having to constantly clean them and I still don't think they will eliminate dead spots due to my rockwork. I think the sweeping motion is most likely to get best coverage without constantly blasting corals.

I see a few opinions here stating that modern powerheads eliminate the need for the sweep. I currently have 2 6255s and 2 mp40s and I feel like I have quite a bit of dead spots in my 72x30x20 tank.

 

[Homewrecker]

You’d have to consider the amount of smaller tanks being built as well. I can’t fit a sea swirl in any of my tanks

 

[Klemmetsmo]

Our 7400 gallon lagoon uses bass pro trolling motors for flow and we use the built in sea swirl . Works great

I’ve actually thought of electric trolling motors! Do you have a picture you could share?

 

[tdyrkacz]

not the same but am just 3d printing some sea sweeps that am making .

can you elaborate? Are you making your own?

 

[ca1ore]

Ocean Motions is a flow diverter. 4 or 6 separate streams. Different concept than the Sea Swirl. Both really don't have competition which is sort of nice. Some may argue but price but that is moot in my opinion. Anyone who has used either product will understand.

There was briefly an OM competitor, something like floWolf if memory serves (at German prices). I ran an OM4 for many years on a closed loop - works great if you’re willing to carve a bunch of holes in your tank.

 

[Ernie Mccracken]

They were granted a US patent which has a pretty large scope, so I assume that has something to do with it.

US Patent for Aquarium wave-making water return device Patent (Patent # 6,321,683 issued November 27, 2001) - Justia Patents Search

A wave-making water return device for use in an aquarium, which is constructed to have an inlet to receive water, an outlet to discharge the water into the aquarium, a fluid connection between the inlet and outlet, and an actuator to rotate the outlet so as to make waves of the water in the...

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[YOYOYOReefer]

I’ve actually thought of electric trolling motors! Do you have a picture you could share?

Can’t post pictures of our house due to wifes job/ nda agreements.

 

[Kfactor]

can you elaborate? Are you making your own?

yes am designing my own more compact i love the idea of power heads moving back and forth

 

[YOYOYOReefer]

They were granted a US patent which has a pretty large scope, so I assume that has something to do with it.

US Patent for Aquarium wave-making water return device Patent (Patent # 6,321,683 issued November 27, 2001) - Justia Patents Search

A wave-making water return device for use in an aquarium, which is constructed to have an inlet to receive water, an outlet to discharge the water into the aquarium, a fluid connection between the inlet and outlet, and an actuator to rotate the outlet so as to make waves of the water in the...

patents.justia.com

Looks like that patent expired in 2021 so go wild

 

[Ernie Mccracken]

Looks like that patent expired in 2021 so go wild

I think most hobbyists don't want to deal with returns anymore. Closed loops, SCWD, oceans motions, seaswirl, eductors, etc. - all dead or on life support.

99% of tanks just pile on as many Vortechs or Gyres as needed.

 

[YOYOYOReefer]

I think most hobbyists don't want to deal with returns anymore. Closed loops, SCWD, oceans motions, seaswirl, eductors, etc. - all dead or on life support.

99% of tanks just pile on as many Vortechs or Gyres as needed.

Very true. I still run halides on all my tanks. but have gotten rid of closed loops besides one tank that’s got 2 OM 4 ways on it. You will never see a vortech at my house. my water movers these days are made by tunze streams or minn kota

 

[Brian1f1]

I’m not sure? I think the original was called a “Sea Sweep” and the newer version is the “Sea Swirl?” It could be a patent issue? Those usually last for 10 years, but I’m pretty sure these have been around for longer than that. Maybe it’s just a thing where there‘a not a big market for them so no one has seen any money in them to justify the large investment to market a new version?

They’ve been called Sea Swirls for at least 20 years, I had them in 2004!

 

[Brian1f1]

Can’t post pictures of our house due to wifes job/ nda agreements.

That’s interesting.

 

[DenverSaltyFarm]

Funny that this post come pops up. I'm currently making a better version of these and will be listed at a much lesser price. Prototype is almost done

 

[YOYOYOReefer]

That’s interesting

It’s a pain but they pay her enough to be worth it

 

[FinalPhaze987]

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I've used a wavysea in the early 2000s with a reeflow dart pump as a return. Worked great then...I wouldn't go back to it now as there are tons of pumps that can suit different needs

 

[reef_ranch]

I emailed another company out of Germany called Ocean motion to see if they shipped to the U.S., but no answer yet. They are cheaper than the Sea Sweep

As of now, they won't ship to the US. If you want to get a group buy together, ship to one US address and one of us ship to the other buyers, count me in for 2.

 

[areefer01]

I think most hobbyists don't want to deal with returns anymore. Closed loops, SCWD, oceans motions, seaswirl, eductors, etc. - all dead or on life support.

99% of tanks just pile on as many Vortechs or Gyres as needed.

Or most hobbyist are too caught up in marketing and social media to know any better? Tool, job. Use the right one.

50,000 feet. Set up a dedicated anemone display. Do you want a power head, gyre, and their respective covers for protection or do you want a Sea Swirl return or closed loop? Simple example granted but it still paints the picture. They serve a purpose.

 

[ca1ore]

Or most hobbyist are too caught up in marketing and social media to know any better?

Or or, for most tanks, Vortech/gyre/etc. actually are better .....

 

[ca1ore]

Looks like that patent expired in 2021 so go wild

TAM seems dubious .....