Will adding Purigen help limit water changes?

[sally666]

Will adding Purigen to my filters help limit water changes to just one per month in my 55 gallon FOWLR tank?

 

[Dread Pirate Dave]

No. :)

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Purigen will bind organics. In a small way it may reduce the reasons to do water changes.

 

[Lavey29]

I run chemipure blue which has purigen in it and do monthly water changes. But I have a mature healthy stable tank. I don't believe purigen is the factor to only water change once per month. I dose major and trace elements in between water changes daily and weekly.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I run chemipure blue which has purigen in it and do monthly water changes. But I have a mature healthy stable tank. I don't believe purigen is the factor to only water change once per month. I dose major and trace elements in between water changes daily and weekly.

Just to clarify, it has some sort of polymers in it, not necessarily the same composition as Purigen.

 

[Dread Pirate Dave]

No. :)

Just to clarify myself some, I said no because I see to many that are new to the hobby just simply not spend enough time observing their tanks. Changing water, along with regular feeding, puts them in front of their tanks more often. I see to many "it was fine last night" but today it's not. Also, it's easier to forget about the purigen or chemipure or what ever media is being used than it is to forget about routine water changes. (at least it is for me) lol

 

[JayM]

Maybe.
Too many variables for a simple “yes” or “no”.

 

[Lavey29]

Just to clarify, it has some sort of polymers in it, not necessarily the same composition as Purigen.

Just curious have you personally analyzed the chemical make up of both? I do agree with your statement but I bet there is substantial similarities.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Have you personally analyzed the chemical make up of both? I do agree with your statement but I bet there is substantial similarities.

I am an expert on polymers who knows that different polymers have entirely different properties. There are hundreds of commercial polymers, and countless more that are made and used by individual companies. It might coincidentally be true that one of those in Chemipure matches the one that is Purigen. Like going to a shopping mall, buying two random pairs of pants from different stores, and assuming they are identical. More likely, they are different since they claim different properties (though I’m not inclined to believe all of the claims).

 

[John Neuzil]

No

 

[Lavey29]

I am an expert on polymers who knows that different polymers have entirely different properties. There are hundreds of commercial polymers, and countless more that are made and used by individual companies. It might coincidentally be true that one of those in Chemipure matches the one that is Purigen. Like going to a shopping mall, buying two random pairs of pants from different stores, and assuming they are identical. More likely, they are different since they claim different properties (though I’m not inclined to believe all of the claims).

Ok so you haven't personally lab analyzed them yourself then and are assuming certain characteristics based on what you have available of their polymers make up from the limited information both companies put forth publicly.

Do you know if Boyd and Purigen have a business arrangement?

 

[KrisReef]

Will adding Purigen to my filters help limit water changes to just one per month in my 55 gallon FOWLR tank?

I can’t recall how many months it has been since I changed water in my FOWLR + inferno anemones but I know it’s time because my anemones( splits) are wandering probably trying to fine clean water.

I think your question is similar to this:

If I use deodorant every morning can I skip taking a shower for a few weeks?

The answer isn’t always obvious but examining your question, the easiest way may cover up the problem but it’s not going to solve it. You can try reducing t your water change frequency and look for signs of stress to signal an issue. If the fish are happy then no purigen was actually needed.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Ok so you haven't personally lab analyzed them yourself then and are assuming certain characteristics based on what you have available of their polymers make up from the limited information both companies put forth publicly.

Do you know if Boyd and Purigen have a business arrangement?

Just read the claims, they are not even close.

You claimed they were the same. Prove it.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Chemi pure Blue:

• Contains two high-grade hybrid ion exchange resins to produce a synergistic formula for the health and well-being of your aquarium inhabitants

Purigen:

Purigen® is a premium synthetic adsorbent that is unlike any other filtration product. It is not a mixture of ion exchangers or adsorbents, but a unique macro-porous synthetic polymer that removes soluble and insoluble impurities from water at a rate and capacity that exceeds all other competing products by over 500%.

 

[Lavey29]

Just read the claims, they are not even close.

You claimed they were the same. Prove it.

I'll call Boyd and ask him and you should go back and read my first post where I stated " I DO AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT ".

And of course you have full trust and confidence in manufacturer claims....lol

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I'll call Boyd and ask him and you should go back and read my first post where I stated " I DO AGREE WITH YOUR STATEMENT ".

And of course you have full trust and confidence in manufacturer claims....lol

Just trying to make sure folks understand and not get confused by claims they are the same. Some folks think polymers are all the same. They are not.

Looking forward to Boyd’s answer.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

You’ve been making this same claim for years despite being challenged by me about it. You are still making it with zero evidence.

What goes first? Purigen or Chemi-pure?

Setting up an AIO. Planning to use purigen and Chemi-pure (and seachem matrix) for filtration in my sump compartments. So...which one would you put first (in order of flow through)? Purigen? Or Chemi-pure?

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Lavey29]

You’ve been making this same claim for years despite being challenged by me about it. You are still making it with zero evidence.

What goes first? Purigen or Chemi-pure?

Setting up an AIO. Planning to use purigen and Chemi-pure (and seachem matrix) for filtration in my sump compartments. So...which one would you put first (in order of flow through)? Purigen? Or Chemi-pure?

www.reef2reef.com

And you make claims without doing any personal scientific study on both products just relying on manufacturers description which you always repeatedly tell members here to be cautious and suspicious of claims so unless you have personally done the study of both product compositions with conclusive factual basis for your opinion, you are merely assuming and rendering an unverified opinion albeit you do have vast knowledge in the field, it is still just an unverified opinion.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

And you make claims without doing any personal scientific study on both products just relying on manufacturers description which you always repeatedly tell members here to be cautious and suspicious of claims so unless you have personally done the study with conclusive factual basis for your opinion, you are merely assuming and rendering an unverified opinion albeit you do have vast knowledge in the field, it is still just an unverified opinion.

Ok, folks can think what they like. That’s the reason I posted. To provide an alternative viewpoint.

1. The two companies give mutually exclusive descriptions (one claims it is an ion exchange resin and the other explicitly says it is not an ion exchange resin).

2. Your evidence that they are the same is they both (may) bind organics. I say may because the Chemipure contains GAC and that may be their basis of organic binding claim. Is all GAC the same? Are all phosphate binders aluminum oxide? Are all alk supplements the same? To make an exact identity match based on function is weak.

3. There are vast numbers of different polymers that either one may be. I’ve personally made hundreds, if not thousands of different polymers with different properties that are not commercially available. Your assumption that any two polymers are likely the same is lacking in evidence.

 

[Lavey29]

Ok, folks can think what they like. That’s the reason I posted. To provide an alternative viewpoint.

1. The two companies give mutually exclusive descriptions (one claims it is an ion exchange resin and the other explicitly says it is not an ion exchange resin).

2. Your evidence that they are the same is they both (may) bind organics. I say may because the Chemipure contains GAC and that may be their basis of organic binding claim. Is all GAC the same? Are all phosphate binders aluminum oxide? Are all alk supplements the same? To make an exact identity match based on function is weak.

3. There are vast numbers of different polymers that either one may be. I’ve personally made hundreds, if not thousands of different polymers with different properties that are not commercially available. Your assumption that any two polymers are likely the same is lacking in evidence.

I'm not disputing your vast knowledge of the science here but once again you have not personally lab analyzed these 2 products so you form an opinion, an assumption actually of the differences and or similarities based on the manufacturers descriptions. Something you always tell us to be wary about.

Are they 90% similar?
Are they 50% similar?
Are they completely different?
Do they function the same?
Do they function similar?
Do they function completely differently?
Do they achieve the same results?
Is one better then the other?
Etc...etc...etc...

All you can do is offer an opinion based on your knowledge of the limited descriptions for both products.

You can not state definitively with factual empirical evidence from your own lab studies to support your claims.

You have no evidence and can not prove it based on a product label. So feel free to offer your opinion like we all do here.