Ammonia poisoning in angels

[bluetanginqt]

I recently had ammonia in my 40 gallon qt with a rock beauty angel, bicolor angels, and red stripe angel. My sechem ammonia alert didn’t show ammonia until the day after but my liquid test did:(. I gave each fish multiple methylene blue dips over the past three days the bicolor died this morning and the other 2 appear to be breathing more normal now and are eating aggressively like before. I’m attaching videos of each do they appear to be in the clear at this point or is there anything else I should do?

 

[bluetanginqt]

I recently had ammonia in my 40 gallon qt with a rock beauty angel, bicolor angels, and red stripe angel. My sechem ammonia alert didn’t show ammonia until the day after but my liquid test did:(. I gave each fish multiple methylene blue dips over the past three days the bicolor died this morning and the other 2 appear to be breathing more normal now and are eating aggressively like before. I’m attaching videos of each do they appear to be in the clear at this point or is there anything else I should do?

Also if anyone wants to know why the clip on the red stripe angel box is outside the tank is because he doesn’t show interest in nori and im just using it as a clip to hold the box up because one of the hanging clips broke off.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I recently had ammonia in my 40 gallon qt with a rock beauty angel, bicolor angels, and red stripe angel. My sechem ammonia alert didn’t show ammonia until the day after but my liquid test did:(. I gave each fish multiple methylene blue dips over the past three days the bicolor died this morning and the other 2 appear to be breathing more normal now and are eating aggressively like before. I’m attaching videos of each do they appear to be in the clear at this point or is there anything else I should do?

Its hard to see through both tank glass and an acclimation box and I have No use for alert badge also for use in freshwater and even worse when in medication. I dont recommend trying to sustain hundreds in fish with a $10 device. I suggest use of salifert and Hanna Brand test kits and even take a water sample to a store that does NOT use Api kits and have them test your ammonia and nitrates and compare readings- then you'll know where your levels truly are at

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

I recently had ammonia in my 40 gallon qt with a rock beauty angel, bicolor angels, and red stripe angel. My sechem ammonia alert didn’t show ammonia until the day after but my liquid test did:(. I gave each fish multiple methylene blue dips over the past three days the bicolor died this morning and the other 2 appear to be breathing more normal now and are eating aggressively like before. I’m attaching videos of each do they appear to be in the clear at this point or is there anything else I should do?

How high was the ammonia level, what was the pH, and how long were they exposed to the ammonia?

 

[MnFish1]

FWIW - Methylene blue will not help true ammonia poisoning. (Assuming your tests were right) - water changes would have been a better choice. Some fish are more and some less susceptible to ammonia - not sure angels (as a group) fall into one or the other category - to answer your question.

 

[bluetanginqt]

FWIW - Methylene blue will not help true ammonia poisoning. (Assuming your tests were right) - water changes would have been a better choice. Some fish are more and some less susceptible to ammonia - not sure angels (as a group) fall into one or the other category - to answer your question.

I moved them to a different tank in a acclimation box because they were done with the treatment portion of qt anyway so the clean water seemed to bring them back

 

[bluetanginqt]

How high was the ammonia level, what was the pH, and how long were they exposed to the ammonia?

Ph was still around 8-8.3 ammonia was 0.1 ppm exposed for about 3 hours or so it spiked overnight and I removed them that morning and the bicolor seemed like he was getting a bit better then got worse last night and died this morning other 2 which are in the videos still seem normal

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Ph was still around 8-8.3 ammonia was 0.1 ppm exposed for about 3 hours or so it spiked overnight and I removed them that morning and the bicolor seemed like he was getting a bit better then got worse last night and died this morning other 2 which are in the videos still seem normal

That level of total ammonia is easily tolerable by the fish, so something else is going on here.

 

[bluetanginqt]

That level of total ammonia is easily tolerable by the fish, so something else is going on here.

Something definitely poisoned the fish in the water it’s possible it was higher before because I tested it after I had got the fish in the other tank in the acclimation box I was not actively using medication because they were done with that part of the quarantine the 2 fish still seem completely normal I’m gonna do a 100 percent water change on the qt later nothing is in it right now anyway, and if it’s some other toxin that should solve it hopefully.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley Verified Community Expert]

Something definitely poisoned the fish in the water it’s possible it was higher before because I tested it after I had got the fish in the other tank in the acclimation box I was not actively using medication because they were done with that part of the quarantine the 2 fish still seem completely normal I’m gonna do a 100 percent water change on the qt later nothing is in it right now anyway, and if it’s some other toxin that should solve it hopefully.

Many folks greatly misunderstand ammonia tox levels, likely due to companies like Seachem constantly pushing keeping it low with their "products". Many of us routinely dose 0.1 ppm ammonia at a time to our reef tanks, often multiple times a day, and no published tox tests show it taking less than 10 ppm total ammonia to kill a marine fish in a few days of exposure.

 

[oreo54]

https://www.reef2reef.com/ams/ammonia-is-our-friend.1062/

 

[MnFish1]

Many folks greatly misunderstand ammonia tox levels, likely due to companies like Seachem constantly pushing keeping it low with their "products". Many of us routinely dose 0.1 ppm ammonia at a time to our reef tanks, often multiple times a day, and no published tox tests show it taking less than 10 ppm total ammonia to kill a marine fish in a few days of exposure.

I doubt you would routinely do that in a QT tank for example - without coral, etc. Though a Fowler might tolerate it. Also - as you already know - his pH is higher than average - which will also mitigate the situation.