Angry Upgrade 120 to 230 Peninsula!

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  1. AngryOwl

    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    Welcome to the build!

    Background:
    Living in Katy, TX, I currently own a standard 120g tank (48x24x24) that has been up for about a year now. This is my first tank so my experience in keeping a reef/fish is 1 year now :cool:. I've learned some things along the way. The biggest lesson being to get what you want the first time and take it slow! The past year has been one impulsive buy after the next, which all started with this tank and resulted in probably a few grand of wasted money(debt) and dead corals. So it's time to hit the reset button, get what I want and take it slow!

    Current Tank:
    • 120g (48x24x24) with dual overflow boxes :mad:
    • Trigger systems Emerald 39 sump
    • 6 bulb ATI T5 light fixture (rewired to have 2 channels)(was using the 48" reefbreeders photonV2, will be selling it)
    • Skimz SM161 Skimmer
    • Santa Monica Rain2 Algae Scrubber
    • 1 Gyre 250
    • 1 Jabeo pp8
    • Tunze 3155 ATO
    • Scaped with BRS dry pukani rock (cured in bleach for 1 week or so)(looks like you can't even buy this stuff anymore)
    The tank sits on a DIY stand with a canopy for the lights.

    Livestock:
    • Male Blue Throat Tigger
    • Flame Angel
    • 1 BulletHole Clown (female) & 1 Wyoming White (male)
    • Magnificent Foxface
    • Female Leopard Wrasse
    • Linetus Fairy Wrasse
    • Pair of diamond spot gobies (aka: trouble makers)
    • Trio of Dispar Anthias
    • Pair of Cleaner Shrimp
    I'll post a list of wishlist fish in another post. Tank is currently lightly stocked with mostly LPS and a few Acro's fighting for their lives. ;Nailbiting

    ps: I have a nano tank with a pair of mocha davinci clowns... I love this pair... question is how successful will I be if I try to add them to the new tank at the same time as the old pair?

    Why I hate this tank:

    Number 1 reason I hate this tank with a passion is the dual overflow boxes. When I ordered the tank I just kind of assumed they would be placed in the corners of the tank... which IMO if your going to have overflow boxes, that's where they should be. But no, they're right in the freakin middle. They're ugly and take up space for aquascaping, ruining the depth of the tank and additional swimming space for the fish, lastly creating flow dead spots.

    I also hate the limitations I have with my desired fish list and I am not a fan of the stand I built or plumbing. Everything was rushed and if I did more research I would have did things different and included handy little features (like a space for electrical equipment). I guess this sums most of it up.

    Moving On to Bigger Things:

    I got a quote from my LFS for a 230g Peninsula tank from Planet Aquariums and will be putting a deposit down tomorrow or Friday.

    The Tank will be 72x30x25 and feature a shadow overflow box and edge guard seams (so you don't have to worry about your magnet cleaner ruining your seams). I will be creating another custom DIY stand as well... but this time we're going to be doing things very different. Tank is projected to take somewhere between 4-10 weeks. So I will have tons of time to think and build the stand. The plan is to have much more space for working under the tank and for equipment. I'd like the stand to be 40" tall so there is no bending over. PS: I'm short af 5'4.... ;Shifty terrible genes...

    I will be looking for a used 50 or 55g aquarium to create a sump out of. Any suggestions about size here?

    For lighting I plan to stick with T5 but looking to upgrade to the Giesemann 60" Matrixx II. I'd also light to add some SB reef bars for supplement lighting.

    I'd like to try, obviously, to use as many things from my current tank on the new build to save costs. My initial thought is to keep my current skimmer and upgrade once I have the tank stocked more. Thoughts?

    Any suggestions on a return pump? Size I should go for?


    Wrap Up:

    I think this mostly covers the plans... I will be using new rock for the build as well. The tank is going in my living room to the left of the current tank. There is not enough space to get the new tank in the exact spot I need it to be (few inches off), so I will be keeping the current tank running until the last possible second, then draining it, moving the livestock to a temp tank for a few hours while I drain and move the old one out of the way. Then place the new tank, let er rip, and replace the livestock in their new home.

    I will try to use sketchup or visio to show a rough sketch of my living room, the stand and sump designs. No idea how to use those tools so to the YouTubes I go...

    Pictures of the current tank to come. You can also check out my channel.. I haven't posted any content in a bit but will be documenting this new build as heavy as I can and it shows all my current stuff. Link to my Channel here.

    Update 12-10-18:


    Tank arrives starting on page 9.

    Let me know all of your questions, suggestions, thoughts!
     
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  2. AngryOwl

    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    OLD TANK (120):

    Stand in Progress:
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    Finished Stand & Canopy:
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    Rescape picture:
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    Different angle of rescape:
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    Last Full Tank shot I took which is from April. All of the SPS you see died except for the purple piece in the center...
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    Take it slow.
    (He says as he contemplates another visit to the LFS "just to see what they have new.")

    If you are using mostly brand new rock I would start "fishless" cycling it in a brute tank for the next month with a power head.
    Definitely add at least a small rock from your current tank to jumpstart it.
    Dry rock takes *forever* to stabilize after the initial cycle. Ours took about 4 months before it was covered in green grey algae and then purple coralline.
    I don't remember the live rock taking that long.

    Sounds like a beautiful build.
    Looking forward to seeing it come together.
     
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    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    There is no such thing as just looking! I always leave with something... for me since I've been having problems keeping SPS, I go for the $5 frags "just to see if they make it". I'm excited for this build! I think you're spot on about curing the rock during a fishless cycle while I wait... I mean why not? But I was also considering using the pond matrix in my current sump and transferring that to the new tank as well... thoughts on this? The only reason I am hesitant is because if there is any "disease" contained in that media, it would now be in the new tank as well...
     
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    I still haven't learned enough lessons about not quarantining fish.

    That is going to be my next salt water addition is a decent 20 gallon quarantine tank.

    Do you have any issues at all with your current tank?
     
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    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    I do have a couple of QT systems, a 20g and 10g, haven't been used in months because no new additions...

    No problem with fish disease in my tank that I can see. I was more speaking about corals. Right now the issues I have with my tank is cyano and murdering SPS... I've been trying a entirely new approach recently and see results though, I'll outline that more soon!
     
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    How are you planning to do your returns? I see your current tank has a canopy. Will the new tank have a canopy? I have a 48" peninsula and I really think you should consider doing the returns through the canopy if you aren't already. I think a lot of people default to having the returns coming off the same side as where you drilled your overflow, but if you have a canopy you can run that plumbing and keep it hidden and have the water flowing fully from the end of the tank to the overflow. I think this is ideal on a tank especially at 6'.

    Just my 2 cents!
     
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    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    Sweet looking tank you have! I think I know what you're saying and the guy at the LFS was saying the same thing... pretty much to have the return lines run in the canopy and have a PVC pipe running the length on each side with maybe 3 return nozzles down the length of the tank. But my plan is to put my gyre 250 at the end of the tank.

    New tank will have a canopy, I flirted with the thought of a floating canopy but I do not want any light bleed in my living room.
     
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    Yeah, if you're willing to put Gyres on that end of your tank its fine. I think the canopy return style is best for people who don't want ANYTHING on the viewable panels of the tank. It's just an aesthetic choice more than functionality or tank health. I did my returns off the back of the tank (with the overflow) but if I did it again I'd run them through a canopy and keep my Vortech's on the back to offset the return flow just to keep the other three sides empty. Also makes cleaning the glass a little easier! :p
     
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    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    FTS as of today: 20180815_173807.jpg

    Sump:
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    And lastly my side project, water storage/change station:
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    Two 55g storage tanks, top plumbed for rodi. Valve on the right allows me to place a bucket under the pipe to fill for my ATO. Bottom will be where I mix salt. Just need a pump to put the bottom together.
     
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    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    I completely agree! I just don't mind having the gyre on that end, it has a low profile and will sit up high not obstructing my view. On the other end I plan to have probably my pp8's towards the bottom for flow down lower. However, I might consider the vortech pumps to keep the cords out of that side of the tank. Plenty of time to consider that though ;Hilarious
     
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    xaflatoonx Well-Known Member Build Thread Contributor

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    Hey Angryowl - Also a katy resident right here.. ..
    following your build to see how you do your stand. Good luck and love the dimensions of your new tank.
     
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    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    Sweet! I'm in Raintree village. Plan for the stand is plywood, as you can see the old stand is a standard 2x4 military grade overkill stand ;Hilarious Super heavy as well. I saw someone selling a 210g tank 72x24x30 and I didn't like those dimensions, especially for a peninsula style tank. I hope you enjoy what I come up with ;Nailbiting
     
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    xaflatoonx Well-Known Member Build Thread Contributor

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    I am on the other side of 99 in Pine Mill Ranch.

    A plywood stand will be better for that big of a tank? i always thought for a tank that size the 2x4s are necessary.

    but hey - as long as it works.

    I cant wait to see progress on your project. Good luck bud and takes LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS of pics.
     
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    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    So after a lot of research, plywood stands are plenty strong enough for even bigger tanks! The standard 2x4 concept really just adds a lot of unnecessary weight and not much additional support. I mean look at my stand, standard 2x4 frame (top is actually 2x6 so I didn't have to use a vertical brace in the middle of the doors)... then I wrapped it in 3/4" plywood. Thing is a tank and super clunky.

    If you look at the stands they sell tanks with at the LFS they're wrapped with thin plywood and the frame is typically 1x2's. These stands are made like this for huge tanks. 3/4" plywood is inherently stronger, especially when constructed in the right way.

    In my design you will see the use of a 2x6 header and 2x4 vertical supports where I will place doors for sump access. The only reason I am including these is because I want a wide opening for sump access and if I ever needed to swap it out.

    I hope this makes sense, if not, you'll see with lots and lots and lots of pics :p
     
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    xaflatoonx Well-Known Member Build Thread Contributor

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    hahah - thanks man... following - and waiting.

    i think pictures will definitely put things in perspective.

    i am currently debating between the following two sizes

    72x36x24
    or
    84x30x24

    Lighting being the main pain in the a** with 7 ft tanks...
    but more room is always better.

    lets see how things go.
     
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    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    Oceanlife Aquariums has an 84x36x30 I think? Something like that, I can get you the exact dimensions later if you're interested. They said its $2500, brand new.
     
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    I can see why you're angry all the time ;).

    Obvs out of the picture now, but you could always take down the 120g (put livestock in a temp home like a big rubber maid) remove the overflows, plug the holes, drill new holes on the back for any sort of overflow. a nice wide 18-24" would be awesome! Use the slim front box, fat back box and bam! new tank :)
     
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    AngryOwl Angry R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    Excellent suggestion! I would like to make a few modifications to it though. Take down the 120, put all the livestock into the new 210, take the 120 outside and smash it to pieces ;Hilarious

    But seriously that is a legit suggestion but I was always looking to upgrade to a bigger tank anyways, this just provides me an excuse :p

    I'm glad you understand where my anger comes from now :mad:
     
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    12" more- go for the 84" as you will not regret the extra room as you build your system
     
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