Aquaforest Comp B. Concentrated Heavy Metals

[Scrubber_steve]

It is true....
Thanks to Randy Holmes-Farley.
An example of a research on the toxicity of zinc :
https://peerj.com/preprints/2858/

"Our results show that potentially toxic metals such as zinc, found in commercial sea salts and supplements, can have detrimental effects on corals. Therefore, we recommend regular monitoring and restrained supplementation of zinc in coral aquaculture systems."

The article didn't mention any positive difference between 0 & 10 µg L–1 zinc?

I highly doubt they could come to any conclusions in any case from a 2 week study ????
"After two weeks, no signs of necrosis were observed in any of the treatments. However, at 100 µg L–1, we detected a considerable ~62% growth reduction compared to zinc levels of 0 to 10 µg L–1."

Their dreaming

 

[Scrubber_steve]

I’m traveling now and can’t provide links and such, but those trace elements are used by many organisms, likely including corals.

Table 1 included strontium, Randy?

 

[Coralsea_co]

And this :

 

[Indiana Reefin]

The $1,000,000 question is it really worth the risk? What is the benefit of adding these heavy metals to our aquarium?

 

[Land Shark]

The $1,000,000 question is it really worth the risk? What is the benefit of adding these heavy metals to our aquarium?

Possibly but the answer is that it depends. Iron is on that list and it can be beneficial to certain organisms in appropriate concentrations. Are you suggesting that all the metals listed are risky, regardless of the concentration? The real question is what concentrations are we talking about? Too much of a good thing can be harmful and a small enough concentration of anything, even poison, can be harmless (without risk).

 

[Scrubber_steve]

Possibly but the answer is that it depends. Iron is on that list and it can be beneficial to certain organisms in appropriate concentrations. Are you suggesting that all the metals listed are risky, regardless of the concentration? The real question is what concentrations are we talking about? Too much of a good thing can be harmful and a small enough concentration of anything, even poison, can be harmless (without risk).

At NSW levels some may be benificial & some may be of no use in a reef aquarium. But most of them can't be measured & so dosing could be causing a rise to toxic levels.

So ICP tests become a necessary expense.

 

[Indiana Reefin]

Possibly but the answer is that it depends. Iron is on that list and it can be beneficial to certain organisms in appropriate concentrations. Are you suggesting that all the metals listed are risky, regardless of the concentration? The real question is what concentrations are we talking about? Too much of a good thing can be harmful and a small enough concentration of anything, even poison, can be harmless (without risk).

I'm mostly talking about:
Chrome
Copper
Zinc

Obviously there are heavy metals in saltwater that are not harmful as long as they are at an appropriate level.

 

[Land Shark]

I'm mostly talking about:
Chrome
Copper
Zinc

Obviously there are heavy metals in saltwater that are not harmful as long as they are at an appropriate level.

Chromium is an essential element for organisms to live, but exactly how much in the water is optimal again is the question we all wonder about. Bio-availability depends on the form and what it is bound to.

Copper is listed as an ingredient in Aquaforest AF Energy and is claimed to improve fluorescence in corals at the right dosage. There is also mention not to over dose it! I seem to recall that at least one Zeovit product also contains trace amounts of copper.

As far as zinc goes, I use the Triton method and their recommended setpoint for zinc is 4 ug/l, which is roughly that of NSW. If a test result comes back as low on zinc, the recommendation is to add a specific amount of their zinc concentration.

Tropic Marin salt contains trace amounts of all the above as well.

Tropic Marin® PRO-REEF contains all major- and minor elements in the exact proportions found in tropical sea water.

Major Elements:

Calcium; Chlorine; Magnesium; Potassium; Sodium; Sulfur.

Trace Elements:

Aluminium; Antimony; Arsenic; Barium; Beryllium; Bismuth; Boron; Bromine; Cadmium; Caesium; Carbon; Cerium; Chromium; Cobalt; Copper; Dysprosium; Erbium; Europium; Fluorine; Gadolinium; Gallium; Germanium; Gold; Hafnium; Holmium; Indium; Iodine; Iridium; Iron; Lanthanum; Lead; Lithium; Lutetium; Manganese; Mercury; Molybdenum; Neodymium; Nickel; Niobium; Nitrogen; Osmium; Palladium; Platinum; Praseodymium; Rhenium; Rhodium; Rubidium; Ruthenium; Samarium; Scandium; Selenium; Silicon; Silver; Strontium; Tantalum; Tellurium; Terbium; Thallium; Thorium; Thulium; Tin; Titanium; Tungsten; Vanadium; Ytterbium; Yttrium; Zinc; Zirconium.

I'm sure Tropic Marin isn't the only company that has all these trace elements in their salt. You're probably dosing copper, chromium, and zinc when you do water changes.

 

[Indiana Reefin]

It is true....
Thanks to Randy Holmes-Farley.
An example of a research on the toxicity of zinc :
https://peerj.com/preprints/2858/

Chromium is an essential element for organisms to live, but exactly how much in the water is optimal again is the question we all wonder about. Bio-availability depends on the form and what it is bound to.

Copper is listed as an ingredient in Aquaforest AF Energy and is claimed to improve fluorescence in corals at the right dosage. There is also mention not to over dose it! I seem to recall that at least one Zeovit product also contains trace amounts of copper.

As far as zinc goes, I use the Triton method and their recommended setpoint for zinc is 4 ug/l, which is roughly that of NSW. If a test result comes back as low on zinc, the recommendation is to add a specific amount of their zinc concentration.

Tropic Marin salt contains trace amounts of all the above as well.

Tropic Marin® PRO-REEF contains all major- and minor elements in the exact proportions found in tropical sea water.

Major Elements:

Calcium; Chlorine; Magnesium; Potassium; Sodium; Sulfur.

Trace Elements:

Aluminium; Antimony; Arsenic; Barium; Beryllium; Bismuth; Boron; Bromine; Cadmium; Caesium; Carbon; Cerium; Chromium; Cobalt; Copper; Dysprosium; Erbium; Europium; Fluorine; Gadolinium; Gallium; Germanium; Gold; Hafnium; Holmium; Indium; Iodine; Iridium; Iron; Lanthanum; Lead; Lithium; Lutetium; Manganese; Mercury; Molybdenum; Neodymium; Nickel; Niobium; Nitrogen; Osmium; Palladium; Platinum; Praseodymium; Rhenium; Rhodium; Rubidium; Ruthenium; Samarium; Scandium; Selenium; Silicon; Silver; Strontium; Tantalum; Tellurium; Terbium; Thallium; Thorium; Thulium; Tin; Titanium; Tungsten; Vanadium; Ytterbium; Yttrium; Zinc; Zirconium.

I'm sure Tropic Marin isn't the only company that has all these trace elements in their salt. You're probably dosing copper, chromium, and zinc when you do water changes.

Thanks!
This makes me feel better! I was about to look into tropic marine pro as a alternative. I still am not 100% on board with copper so I would be interested to hear more about this flourecense theory.

 

[Land Shark]

See what they say here about their use of copper sulfate in their little elixir.

https://aquaforest.eu/en/product/af_energy/

I have a bottle but don’t use it myself.

 

[Scrubber_steve]

See what they say here about their use of copper sulfate in their little elixir.

https://aquaforest.eu/en/product/af_energy/

If I'm dosing components B, & it has copper in it, why do I also need copper in a coral food,,,,

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Table 1 included strontium, Randy?

A few organisms need it. Not ones we generally keep, but one cannot really go wrong maintaining it at natural levels.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Thanks!
This makes me feel better! I was about to look into tropic marine pro as a alternative. I still am not 100% on board with copper so I would be interested to hear more about this flourecense theory.

Regardless of what exact processes it might be used for in corals, there is zero debate that copper is critical for most, and possibly every living organism. The trick is to have enough but to not have too much in the water.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

If I'm dosing components B, & it has copper in it, why do I also need copper in a coral food,,,,

That’s like saying if your orange juice has vitamin C in it, why put it in a vitamin. The answer is the juice alone might not have all you need.

Additionally, different organisms may need it in different forms. Photosynthetic organisms likely get it from the firms dissolved in waster, but heterotrophs may be more dependent on metals contained in foods they eat.

 

[Scrubber_steve]

A few organisms need it. Not ones we generally keep, but one cannot really go wrong maintaining it at natural levels.

glennf makes his own salt that contains no heavy metals. He only doses iron, iodide, strontium, boron, potassium, aminos, vitamin c & maybe manganese these days. His mixed reef are outstanding. No copper, chrome, cobalt, zinc or nickel. How do you account for his success?

Cheers

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