Balling...but which??

[Miami Reef]

Just to clarify, the only true Balling Method solutions available anywhere in the world are manucfactured by Tropic Marin. That amnufacture is ovetseen by our Head of Product Developement, Hans-Werner Balling. There are no other solutions, that I am aware of, that are the exact formulas of the original Balling Method made by any other company. Even products labeled as "Balling something" are not actually Hans-Werner's formula.

This is not to say that there are not MANY other great calcium/alkalinity products out in the Market. Just that they are NOT Balling, even when labeled as such.

Aquaforest has a similar product to balling part c that accomplishes the same thing. :)

I’ll also note that one can use Aquaforest Mineral Salt in place of Balling Part C. I expect the amount needed is likely the same, but might vary a bit based on moisture levels in the two sodium chloride free salt mixes.

 

[BristleWormHater]

I'm running an SPS, predominantly Acropora, dominant system and I'm wanting to try a balling approach. The question is, which are people using with most success??

 

[Lou Ekus]

How do you use Tropic Marin Pro coral mineral ? What is your dosage ?

Pro-Coral Mineral | Produktinformationen

www.tropic-marin-smartinfo.com

 

[JoshO]

How do you use Tropic Marin Pro coral mineral ? What is your dosage ?

I was doing half dosage of the calculator Lou has posted due to the traces in AFR.
Just to update people I went down the Modern Reef RKS route. So far things are going well. A few traces aren't quite high enough but it's headed in the right direction!

 

[Cool tangs]

Just to clarify, the only true Balling Method solutions available anywhere in the world are manucfactured by Tropic Marin. That amnufacture is ovetseen by our Head of Product Developement, Hans-Werner Balling. There are no other solutions, that I am aware of, that are the exact formulas of the original Balling Method made by any other company. Even products labeled as "Balling something" are not actually Hans-Werner's formula.

This is not to say that there are not MANY other great calcium/alkalinity products out in the Market. Just that they are NOT Balling, even when labeled as such.

For curiousity sake and my own learning.

Whilst I understand the original creator of the balling method works for Tropic Marin. At the end of the day. I thought the fundamental basics of the balling method was the seperation of alk and calc dosing with the addition of magnesium. Then the balling light method adds trace elements to the mix.

Whilst I understand the formula that tropic Marin use is proprietary and a unique formula to tropic Marin. Is the fundamental concepts of the balling method or balling light method not the same? even if the other product advertising as such might have a slightly different formula or ratios to the "original balling/balling light" method? Like fundamentally it's the same concept right? We just call the fundamental concept balling or balling light based on a creation from Hans-Werner Balling right?

 

[Pod_01]

For curiousity sake and my own learning.

Whilst I understand the original creator of the balling method works for Tropic Marin. At the end of the day. I thought the fundamental basics of the balling method was the seperation of alk and calc dosing with the addition of magnesium. Then the balling light method adds trace elements to the mix.

Whilst I understand the formula that tropic Marin use is proprietary and a unique formula to tropic Marin. Is the fundamental concepts of the balling method or balling light method not the same? even if the other product advertising as such might have a slightly different formula or ratios to the "original balling/balling light" method? Like fundamentally it's the same concept right? We just call the fundamental concept balling or balling light based on a creation from Hans-Werner Balling right?

Balling Light is FM development and is different from TM original Balling method.

They do try to achieve the same end results but implementation is different. I don’t believe FM Balling Light is ion balanced solution, maybe with water change. It doesn’t have part C.

Randy wrote article on the different implementation of dosing Alk, calc, ion Ballance etc…

Thread 'How a Two Part Alkalinity and Calcium System Works, and Why it Matters'
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/h...cium-system-works-and-why-it-matters.1044570/

 

[Lou Ekus]

For curiousity sake and my own learning.

Whilst I understand the original creator of the balling method works for Tropic Marin. At the end of the day. I thought the fundamental basics of the balling method was the seperation of alk and calc dosing with the addition of magnesium. Then the balling light method adds trace elements to the mix.

Whilst I understand the formula that tropic Marin use is proprietary and a unique formula to tropic Marin. Is the fundamental concepts of the balling method or balling light method not the same? even if the other product advertising as such might have a slightly different formula or ratios to the "original balling/balling light" method? Like fundamentally it's the same concept right? We just call the fundamental concept balling or balling light based on a creation from Hans-Werner Balling right?

They are very different things. The original Balling Method does not adress Mg. It is focused on ionically balancing the rersulting sodium chloride left over from the addition of the part A and part B. Mg is dealt with separately. My response to your question was less brand related and more chemical application related. They are very different in the actual chemical supplementations.

 

[spsick]

Pro-Coral Mineral | Produktinformationen

www.tropic-marin-smartinfo.com

Lou, can you explain where this product falls in line vs A- & K+ elements?

 

[Lou Ekus]

Lou, can you explain where this product falls in line vs A- & K+ elements?

The Pro Coral Minereal is a larger distribution of trace elenets in very different concentrations than the Trace A and Trace K. A dn K are best for supplementing Traces targeting Trace element depletion from coral calcifiction. Pro coral Mineral is more fo other applications when you are looking to suppement all 70 trace elelements for ionic balance due to other mineral supplimentation techniques.

 

[Yanir34]

The Pro Coral Minereal is a larger distribution of trace elenets in very different concentrations than the Trace A and Trace K. A dn K are best for supplementing Traces targeting Trace element depletion from coral calcifiction. Pro coral Mineral is more fo other applications when you are looking to suppement all 70 trace elelements for ionic balance due to other mineral supplimentation techniques.

According to thus reply , I have simple question:
My tank is 2 years old ,heavily SPS populated.
I'm using calcium reactor and kalkwasser, as main method for supplementing alk, cal ,and mag.
How and what dosage should I use , with the coral Pro mineral ?

 

[Koty]

Have been running TMBalling supplemented with the A and K, long term with no water changes. It works well accept for the Ca and salinity creeping up. My Ca is now around 500 ppm. RedSea chief scientist claims that high calcium enhances coral calcification rates.

 

[Lou Ekus]

According to thus reply , I have simple question:
My tank is 2 years old ,heavily SPS populated.
I'm using calcium reactor and kalkwasser, as main method for supplementing alk, cal ,and mag.
How and what dosage should I use , with the coral Pro mineral ?

As I am trying to explain, I do not think the Pro Coral minerl is the best product for you. I would recommend the Trace A and K. Especially in a heavily stocked SPS system. In a 2 year old tank, with your Ca and alaklinity supplementation methodology, I would start with about half the recommended maximum dosage, then slowly work your way up if needed. If at any point in the process, you start to notice any "undesirable" growth like dynos or cyano bacteria, I would stop the traces let that stuff die off, then resume again.

I hope this is helpful.

 

[bandando]

Not sure if its avalible in the US. But Modern Reef RKS is the best Balling i have used together with the foods. All dosed based on consumption, super easy to use and really makes corals happy.

Modern Reef RSK integrates organic and inorganic, it is different from balling. I find it too intrusive.

 

[Anxur]

@Randy Holmes-Farley about Modern Reef balling..

They declare to have:

- other trace elements and trace elements
- inorganic
-organic
-amino acids

These contents in their bottles, therefore already dissolved..


Can a company standardize the Kh + amino acid component and then raise it together during dosage increases?

Doesn't it cause darkening of the sps in the long run?

It is correct that if a tank needs 100 ml of Kh (equivalent let's assume to 1 mg of amino acid) the same tank will need 2 ml of Amino Acid if I dose 200 ml of Kh bottle..

Wouldn't it be better to be able to act individually on the "optional and as needed" dosage of amino acids or nitrogen sources, etc.?

 

[Anxur]

Just to clarify, the only true Balling Method solutions available anywhere in the world are manucfactured by Tropic Marin. That amnufacture is ovetseen by our Head of Product Developement, Hans-Werner Balling. There are no other solutions, that I am aware of, that are the exact formulas of the original Balling Method made by any other company. Even products labeled as "Balling something" are not actually Hans-Werner's formula.

This is not to say that there are not MANY other great calcium/alkalinity products out in the Market. Just that they are NOT Balling, even when labeled as such.

Lou, I currently use Ati Essential + two bottles..

I agree with you that the original Balling at the moment is the one you and Fauna Marin provide..

Since I am interested in your Balling that my friend Leonardo REEF also uses...

Is it possible, with tanks very very populated with sps, that Balling + A & K alone is not enough to maintain levels of trace elements or those such as potassium, fluoride, boron etc..?

What experiences do you have with these possible deficiencies in your customers' tanks?

 

[bandando]

Lou, I currently use Ati Essential + two bottles..

I agree with you that the original Balling at the moment is the one you and Fauna Marin provide..

Since I am interested in your Balling that my friend Leonardo REEF also uses...

Is it possible, with tanks very very populated with sps, that Balling + A & K alone is not enough to maintain levels of trace elements or those such as potassium, fluoride, boron etc..?

What experiences do you have with these possible deficiencies in your customers' tanks?

I don’t think so, the original Balling is Tropic Marin.

Happy new year to everibody

 

[Lou Ekus]

Lou, I currently use Ati Essential + two bottles..

I agree with you that the original Balling at the moment is the one you and Fauna Marin provide..

Since I am interested in your Balling that my friend Leonardo REEF also uses...

Is it possible, with tanks very very populated with sps, that Balling + A & K alone is not enough to maintain levels of trace elements or those such as potassium, fluoride, boron etc..?

What experiences do you have with these possible deficiencies in your customers' tanks?

First note is that Fauna Marin Balling is NOT the origianl Balling formulas. So don't let yourself get confused by thier marketing. Thier "Balling" products may be very good products. But they are defintely NOT the original Balling.
It is important to rememeber that in the original Balling system, there is no accomodation for the uptake of trace elements. The Balling PArt C ballances the excess NaCl left over from the addition of PARTs A and B. But does not accomodate for dditional trace element usage. It is very easy to modofy that by adding the Trace Element A solution to the Blling Part B and the Trace Element K solution to the Blling Part A. You do that in a 10 part to one part ratio. Then you are making up for "consumed" trace elements with the same three dosing pumps.

 

[Superlightman]

According to thus reply , I have simple question:
My tank is 2 years old ,heavily SPS populated.
I'm using calcium reactor and kalkwasser, as main method for supplementing alk, cal ,and mag.
How and what dosage should I use , with the coral Pro mineral ?

pro mineral is an old product, this why they not recommended it , A&K are the newer one

 

[Superlightman]

Lou, I currently use Ati Essential + two bottles..

I agree with you that the original Balling at the moment is the one you and Fauna Marin provide..

Since I am interested in your Balling that my friend Leonardo REEF also uses...

Is it possible, with tanks very very populated with sps, that Balling + A & K alone is not enough to maintain levels of trace elements or those such as potassium, fluoride, boron etc..?

What experiences do you have with these possible deficiencies in your customers' tanks?

you should inform you , they are not the same, leonardo use the tropic marin with a&k, there is no reason why it should not be enough as you can adjust the dosis

 

[Lou Ekus]

pro mineral is an old product, this why they not recommended it , A&K are the newer one

Sorry, this is not true. They are different products with different applications.