Bannerfish has popeye

[littlefoxx]

I looked in on my fish today and noticed this dude has both eyes bulging. He has one eye yesterday popped that I thought was an injury as him and the other bannerfish like to crowd and follow my sailfin and she will smack and chase them when shes had enough. This dude still eats normally.

What can I do to help treat him? No inverts in the tank, no coral.

Sorry about my smudged glass and the glare, the lights are off for the night but you can see he has swollen eyes.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I looked in on my fish today and noticed this dude has both eyes bulging. He has one eye yesterday popped that I thought was an injury as him and the other bannerfish like to crowd and follow my sailfin and she will smack and chase them when shes had enough. This dude still eats normally.

What can I do to help treat him? No inverts in the tank, no coral.

Sorry about my smudged glass and the glare, the lights are off for the night but you can see he has swollen eyes.

Single popeye is usually an injury. Double popeye can be an injury times two, but can also come from supersaturation. That is where there is an air leak on the suction side of a water pump that injects air into the water. That then comes out of solution in the blood vessels behind a fish's eye. That needs to be corrected as it can develop in other fish.

Sorry, but in either case, I've never been able to cure/treat this issue when it is so severe.

Aquarium Fish: The ‘Eyes’ Have it: A Review of Eye Health in Aquarium Fishes

Aquarists need to inspect their fish closely every day, for signs of impending health problems. It is much easier to resolve a problem when it first starts, than to attempt a drastic emergency treatment when the fish is close to dying.

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[littlefoxx]

Single popeye is usually an injury. Double popeye can be an injury times two, but can also come from supersaturation. That is where there is an air leak on the suction side of a water pump that injects air into the water. That then comes out of solution in the blood vessels behind a fish's eye. That needs to be corrected as it can develop in other fish.

Sorry, but in either case, I've never been able to cure/treat this issue when it is so severe.

Aquarium Fish: The ‘Eyes’ Have it: A Review of Eye Health in Aquarium Fishes

Aquarists need to inspect their fish closely every day, for signs of impending health problems. It is much easier to resolve a problem when it first starts, than to attempt a drastic emergency treatment when the fish is close to dying.

reefs.com

What needs to be corrected to prevent it in other fish? Sorry Im kinda confused by your response about the water pumps

 

[Jay Hemdal]

What needs to be corrected to prevent it in other fish? Sorry Im kinda confused by your response about the water pumps

Here is some text from a book I wrote:

Acute supersaturation
This is known as the “gas bubble disease.” An aquarium that has a water pump malfunction of some sort may develop a dissolved gas saturation level of greater than 120%. The onset is sudden, and the results are devastating. Fish will develop severe bilateral exophthalmia (pop-eye involving both eyes), and their gills will show massive trauma with gas bubble aneurysms. In the worst cases, air bubbles will be present in the soft fin rays and in the gills. Death is rapid, and even if the still-living fish are moved to a new aquarium, they will usually not recover

Two common causes of acute supersaturation are a sump that is allowed to run dry, allowing the pump to suck in air, or a loose fitting that allows for a continuous air leak at the suction side of a pump. Despite best intentions, equipment sometimes does fail, allowing supersaturation to occur.

In these cases, the problem can be lessened by always having the return line from any aquarium pump return water to the aquarium above the water line. The agitation of the pumped water hitting the aquarium surface is akin to shaking up a can of soda pop and driving off the “fizz.”

Not every case of gas buildup in animal tissue is caused by supersaturation. Some bacteria produce gasses as they grow and multiply. A fish with a serious bacterial infection may develop gas pockets in the intestines, behind the eyes, in the air bladder, or even under the skin.

 

[littlefoxx]

Here is some text from a book I wrote:

Acute supersaturation
This is known as the “gas bubble disease.” An aquarium that has a water pump malfunction of some sort may develop a dissolved gas saturation level of greater than 120%. The onset is sudden, and the results are devastating. Fish will develop severe bilateral exophthalmia (pop-eye involving both eyes), and their gills will show massive trauma with gas bubble aneurysms. In the worst cases, air bubbles will be present in the soft fin rays and in the gills. Death is rapid, and even if the still-living fish are moved to a new aquarium, they will usually not recover

Two common causes of acute supersaturation are a sump that is allowed to run dry, allowing the pump to suck in air, or a loose fitting that allows for a continuous air leak at the suction side of a pump. Despite best intentions, equipment sometimes does fail, allowing supersaturation to occur.

In these cases, the problem can be lessened by always having the return line from any aquarium pump return water to the aquarium above the water line. The agitation of the pumped water hitting the aquarium surface is akin to shaking up a can of soda pop and driving off the “fizz.”

Not every case of gas buildup in animal tissue is caused by supersaturation. Some bacteria produce gasses as they grow and multiply. A fish with a serious bacterial infection may develop gas pockets in the intestines, behind the eyes, in the air bladder, or even under the skin.

Do you think thats what this fish has? The other banner shows no signs and none of the other fish do either?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Do you think thats what this fish has? The other banner shows no signs and none of the other fish do either?

Right, probably not, but you must rule that out.

 

[littlefoxx]

Right, probably not, but you must rule that out.

How would I do that??

 

[Jay Hemdal]

How would I do that??

Just be ensuring there weren’t any air leaks in the system. I once had an LFS get this when they let their sump get too low and it sucked air. Look for loose fitting on the intake side of any external pumps. Your tank may not have any risk for this (no sump, no external pumps) but I have no way to tell.

 

[littlefoxx]

Just be ensuring there weren’t any air leaks in the system. I once had an LFS get this when they let their sump get too low and it sucked air. Look for loose fitting on the intake side of any external pumps. Your tank may not have any risk for this (no sump, no external pumps) but I have no way to tell.

So one of his eyes is healed, almost completely over night. The other looks more like an injury to me, I can kinda see a tail strike mark that looks like a tang. These two do really like to annoy the tangs…

 

[Jay Hemdal]

So one of his eyes is healed, almost completely over night. The other looks more like an injury to me, I can kinda see a tail strike mark that looks like a tang. These two do really like to annoy the tangs…

That rules out supersaturation, that doesn’t resolve like that.

 

[littlefoxx]

That rules out supersaturation, that doesn’t resolve like that.

Oh good. Most likely an injury then?