Bolus dosing

[Mo.]

hmmm…. where did I see that line before…

You embrace the FM philosophy completely and without reservation.

Even when FM Alk is proven to be at reduced potency vs. advertised value...
Broken buffer system, old tank syndrome, tiny crystals, organic peptide polymer etc…

“Time to move on”…

I’m sorry, you may have seen that before, but I haven’t.

I haven’t read those documents. I also haven’t spoken to Claude about bolus.

I have only spoken to Doug about Bolus.

Again- I am not affiliated. I have not been given any freebies and I have chosen all dosing methods myself, including Kalkwasser dosing for the majority of this tanks life.

It seems I need to keep clarifying that to you.

I hope this is clear enough, for you not to jump to outlandish conclusions time and time again.

I have no link to Fauna Marin.I am not sponsored by them and I purchase all of my products.

I hope it’s starting to sink in? lol

 

[Mo.]

The real question — what the heck is a theoretical calculator in this context. He (Claude) twists basic words and concepts into pretzels to give the impression that there is something novel in everything he says.

What would a theoretical dosing calculator actually calculate — and who would ever use one? Isn’t testing at some interval pretty much the only way of successfully dosing anything long term?

To that end, if anything is theoretical, it is the FM balling light calculator, as it assumes a concentration that does not exist in reality.

Bean- I can certainly see Claude has gotten under your skin.

I would suggest a breather and not take this so seriously.

I’m not meaning to upset you with these
Posts.

 

[Oldreefer44]

To be fair, I suspect and hope they mean that theoretical calculations based on a per gallon basis are not part of the method. Perhaps that’s a dig at TM and AFR, which is one of the few products that I am aware of that has a per gallon calculator rather than an alk or calcium need calculator.

I took it to mean, similar to when I used AFR (prior to adding kalk dosing to the system), that the calculator is a starting point understanding that in both cases, because I had a heavily stocked sps system, I would end up raising the amount dosed to reach a stable KH number. Turned out to be accurate in both cases.
You mean we could get free stuff? How did I miss that one? LOL From the start I have not pushed this methodology at all. I only reported my results which continue to be very good. To each their own.

 

[Mo.]

My dosage is spread evenly throughout the day in 1ml increments. The dosage is roughly 4x more than it was a year ago, and almost 2x what it was a few months ago. Coral growth can be nearly exponential, and as such in a healthy tank, resource consumption can (and should) rise accordingly.

Sure, at some point the growth restricts flow, shades itself and other corals, and/or resources become scares -- so not truly exponential -- but you get the point.

Nice-

Show me a photo of your tank please? Sounds like great growth.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Maybe crossed wires, but I was referring to the calculators that have been referenced in this thread, that calculate dosages etc. I just happened to call them theoretical as they give a calculated dose that may not give the exact effect expected due to say water volume differences etc.

I didn’t mean anything else by it.

Maybe crossed, but your words align very directly with the talking points put forth by FM on this topic. I think that was the point being made.


FWIW - FM calculator is most certainly incorrect. Claude tried to tap dance when I held his feet to the fire, they got hot enough that he stomped away and Doug got all subliminal on us.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I have only spoken to Doug about Bolus.

Ohhh dear :anguished-face:

Again- I am not affiliated.

But you are aligned :)

Bean- I can certainly see Claude has gotten under your skin.

I would suggest a breather and not take this so seriously.

I’m not meaning to upset you with these
Posts.

Claude, under my skin personally, no.
From the perspective of a public personalty, seeking recognition and fortune by peddling pure nonsense, yes. I think it is a disservice to those he hoodwinks and to the collective science of the hobby. I mean look at poor Doug... maybe Claude used the subliminal stuff on him before Doug tried to use it on us!

I am not upset in the slightest and take none of this personally.

As for our back and forth, I am not meaning to upset you either and hope you to do see some of the attempts at light hearted humor.

 

[Mo.]

Maybe crossed, but your words align very directly with the talking points put forth by FM on this topic. I think that was the point being made.

I think the point being made was very direct and claiming I was in Claude’s pocket.

I have only made observations based on my own tank and own knowledge. It just doesn’t seem to sink in. I have no affiliation to FM. lol

FIWI - FM calculator is most certainly incorrect. Claude tried to tap dance when I held his feet to the fire, they got hot enough that he stomped away and Doug got all subliminal on us.

Nice- I’ve never used it and don’t think I’ve actually even seen it.

 

[Mo.]

Ohhh dear :anguished-face:

lol-I speak to a lot of people. No harm in that!

But you are aligned :)

Well, if all those using bolus happened to reach the same conclusion, they may well be aligned. lol.

Claude, under my skin personally, no.
From the perspective of a public personalty, seeking recognition and fortune by peddling pure nonsense, yes. I think it is a disservice to those he hoodwinks and to the collective science of the hobby. I mean look at poor Doug... maybe Claude used the subliminal stuff on him before Doug tried to use it on us!

I am not upset in the slightest and take none of this personally.

As for our back and forth, I am not meaning to upset you either and hope you to do see some of the attempts at light hearted humor.

Yes! Nice.

 

[Garf]

I did find Adam (from frag garage) observation interesting. Apparently he has noticed a marked difference in how corals try to kill each other. The burning from such encounters appear to be more severe. Adams take on that is that the coral should be healthier to cause such an increase in damage. Maybe so. Or the exact opposite, lol.

 

[rishma]

I did find Adam (from frag garage) observation interesting. Apparently he has noticed a marked difference in how corals try to kill each other. The burning from such encounters appear to be more severe. Adams take on that is that the coral should be healthier to cause such an increase in damage. Maybe so. Or the exact opposite, lol.

That is interesting. Over the past month my corals have gotten really nasty stinging each other. I figured some of it was due them growing bigger but I have had nearly zero issues for years and now suddenly everyone to trying to murder their neighbor. I am not an FM/bolus product user but I do have especially happy corals at the moment. They seem to be looking to expand territory.

 

[Pod_01]

I’m sorry, you may have seen that before, but I haven’t.

I haven’t read those documents. I also haven’t spoken to Claude about bolus.

I have only spoken to Doug about Bolus.

Again- I am not affiliated. I have not been given any freebies and I have chosen all dosing methods myself, including Kalkwasser dosing for the majority of this tanks life.

It seems I need to keep clarifying that to you.

I hope this is clear enough, for you not to jump to outlandish conclusions time and time again.

I have no link to Fauna Marin.I am not sponsored by them and I purchase all of my products.

I hope it’s starting to sink in? lol

Hmmm… you know,

“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a ….”

I read what you wrote, and what you wrote aligns with FM talking points…
I have been FM user for a long time so I am well aware of the talking points. I got lot of FM bottles to prove it.
Doug is the ICP consultant for FM so not unbiased source of information.

For record, just because lot of places regurgitate FM information it doesn’t make it true or correct.

Perhaps it is time to read up on alternative point of views. This thread has a lot of scientific based explanations, so dig in.

I hope this helps and sinks in…

If BOLUS works for you keep doing it.
It didn’t work for me so I moved on.

Cheers mate,

 

[Pod_01]

I did find Adam (from frag garage) observation interesting. Apparently he has noticed a marked difference in how corals try to kill each other. The burning from such encounters appear to be more severe. Adams take on that is that the coral should be healthier to cause such an increase in damage. Maybe so. Or the exact opposite, lol.

Is that in his recent video?

His corals are great, I don’t understand how BOLUS or any other system can make it better…

 

[Garf]

Is that in his recent video?

His corals are great, I don’t understand how BOLUS or any other system can make it better…

I think so, but not 100%.

 

[Oldreefer44]

I think so, but not 100%.

Yes from about a week ago. I nor anyone else that is not attached to FM says it's "better". If they do then that's a problem. First one has to be able to quantify what "better" is. In my case it is "better" than when I used kalk and AFR because it is cheaper, stopped excess precipitation, improved some coral coloration (especially reds and blues), allowed me to lower Ca to acceptable levels and I am getting an estimated improvement in growth rate of at least 100%. So I can say that it is "better" than what I was doing before but by no means can or would I say it's the best for anyone else. It's just the best for me at this moment. And maybe it's because I was doing everything wrong previously.
I, in my career, have twice been involved in federal patent lawsuits and so am very well aware that most product descriptions should be taken with a large dose of skepticism which fits right into my glowing personality. I have not even read most of the FM literature, or some might say "magical thinking". It would not surprise me if one were to use another brand of 2 or 3 part and follow the bolus lighting schedule that they would see similar results.

 

[Mo.]

I did find Adam (from frag garage) observation interesting. Apparently he has noticed a marked difference in how corals try to kill each other. The burning from such encounters appear to be more severe. Adams take on that is that the coral should be healthier to cause such an increase in damage. Maybe so. Or the exact opposite, lol.

Did he notice this after starting bolus method? Difficult one to associate. You would need lots of touching colonies, so he’s in a fairly unique position.

 

[Mo.]

Hmmm… you know,

“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a ….”

I read what you wrote, and what you wrote aligns with FM talking points…
I have been FM user for a long time so I am well aware of the talking points. I got lot of FM bottles to prove it.
Doug is the ICP consultant for FM so not unbiased source of information.

For record, just because lot of places regurgitate FM information it doesn’t make it true or correct.

Perhaps it is time to read up on alternative point of views. This thread has a lot of scientific based explanations, so dig in.

I hope this helps and sinks in…

If BOLUS works for you keep doing it.
It didn’t work for me so I moved on.

Cheers mate,

Umm?!

You know I have read this thread right?! I practically wrote half of it!!!

 

[Mo.]

Hmmm… you know,

“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a ….”

I read what you wrote, and what you wrote aligns with FM talking points…
I have been FM user for a long time so I am well aware of the talking points. I got lot of FM bottles to prove it.
Doug is the ICP consultant for FM so not unbiased source of information.

Maybe after using it, If I draw the same conclusions, doesn’t it mean the conclusions align and maybe there is some truth in the method?

Maybe other users will have aligned conclusions as well?

For record, just because lot of places regurgitate FM information it doesn’t make it true or correct.

Perhaps it is time to read up on alternative point of views. This thread has a lot of scientific based explanations, so dig in.

I did read the one about the mid sun siesta that corals take to put it simply. I can’t follow that explanation.

Photoinhibition isn’t also going to be randomly activated by the bolus pathway either.

It think it’s reasonable to say that explanation is incorrect rather than create more dubious statements to back it up.

The problem as Randy says, is that there isn’t enough data.

Some are now too long in the tooth with it to bother producing data and some it doesn’t interest them to do it, if they are having success.

Others - if it didn’t work for them have moved on.

That’s is bolus! Another method . It’ll be intriguing to some and marketing hype to others.

The powders and solutions are the same. Choose your method.

I hope this helps and sinks in…

If BOLUS works for you keep doing it.
It didn’t work for me so I moved on.

Cheers mate,

Cheers

 

[Garf]

Did he notice this after starting bolus method? Difficult one to associate. You would need lots of touching colonies, so he’s in a fairly unique position.

 

[Mo.]

Ah yeah- I did listen to most of it.

It’s a great series of pad casts. Adam has a knack for it.

 

[Pod_01]

Maybe after using it, If I draw the same conclusions, doesn’t it mean the conclusions align and maybe there is some truth in the method?

Maybe other users will have aligned conclusions as well?

At best you may claim that you made the same/ similar observation as FM/ Doug etc…

For example when I used BOLUS I didn’t have the same observation / response/ results.

Also it needs to be stated that while the observation made by FM / Doug etc… may be correct the explanation is bad. Broken buffer system, little crystals, chemistry in reef tank not following basic chemistry principles, Flouride that stabilizes Iodine one day and provides coral with sun protection the next, halogens that need to dosed before the light is on etc…
Many of these have been mentioned in the latest podcast by Adam so unfortunately the bad explanations are not going away.

You know I have read this thread right?! I practically wrote half of it!!!

Really, half of it? Nice hyperbole…

From my observation there is lot of fluff in your responses but not much meat and potatoes.

Do your own research, like I did. It’s out there.

Very educational reply and it does keep the count up.

Regardless this is a circular argument that is not getting anywhere.

But you did peak my interest, what exactly are you running on your reef tank?
With so many posts I lost track. Is it Kalk, FM BOLUS with FM products and FM light schedule (BOLUS HTU), Hybrid BOLUS, no BOLUS etc…

Don’t forget I’m dosing kalk now.

I can’t go and change this or that.

What exactly are you using?

Also what improvements have you observed? As per your statement with Kalk you had great coral trajectory:

And my tank is half full of sps corals and rising……

If it was great before how do you determine it is greater now???

Maybe it is the same, trajectory is the same just different method?

Cheers,