Brook? Please help

[Jay Hemdal]

Came home from work and he was doing this then I fed him and he ate good and then he went back to doing this again and then swam off. Really weird behavior.

It is still breathing heavy. I can’t say what is causing that though. The fins look a little cloudy also. I normally don’t suggest this, but I wonder if you should give it a five minute FW dip and then see how it is breathing 24 hours later. If the breathing improves, you can then assume some sort of gill parasite. FW dips are not 100% risk free though….
Jay

 

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I thought so too as these pellets and flakes would typically contain much higher nutritional value than frozen based on their nutritional content label. I have always used frozen more as a snack for them….

They are processed and processed food results in a higher energy gain as the body has to do less work to break it down.

 

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Clowns are Omnivores and for best health and breeding, they require a varied diet. They will readily accept flakes, pellets, even a stick of dynamite. In their natural habitat, they consume plankton, small shrimp such as mysis and crustaceans. They require frozen and live foods such as brine shrimp, larvae, fish eggs algae and even pods. I cant count how many clowns seen that are constipated because of a total dry diet and we recommend brine shrimp to help pass the blockage. The meats also provide increased fats, aminos and nutrients required for color, breeding and immunity health found in many frozen diets.
This also accounts for why they eat their eggs. Inexperience and fear is one reason, but they also have a taste for eggs.
Flakes are a staple and convenience with some nutrition but does not complete their long-term needs. Its like feeding a child crackers all day - they need soft foods and higher vitamin based foods for complete nutrition

Good dry foods have lots of vitamins and minerals needed, as well as protein, fat, and carbs. Processed food is more energetically profitable than raw unprocessed food. I also don't know how you would know the fish got constipated from dry diets unless you did a ton of necropsies in a controlled study.

As for eating their eggs, I doubt they do that due to inexperience and fear, as that would quickly be selected against in nature.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Good dry foods have lots of vitamins and minerals needed, as well as protein, fat, and carbs. Processed food is more energetically profitable than raw unprocessed food. I also don't know how you would know the fish got constipated from dry diets unless you did a ton of necropsies in a controlled study.

As for eating their eggs, I doubt they do that due to inexperience and fear, as that would quickly be selected against in nature.

Pellets like TDO are excellent in protein content. You are arguing that this is a total diet, I agree flakes and pellets are acceptable but are not total diets and what flakes and pellets are being fed and at what protein content. You will likely Not find breeders feeding a dry staple Only to their fish. You are insisting they can eat dry only - and they need a mixture . As for constipation, 90% of clowns we see are on dry diet and it is remedied with soft foods.
They eat their eggs under stress, when eggs are diseased or non-fertile and when looking for a food source.
I attend many seminars and speak often with clown breeders and many of the presentations on clowns express this same info.
Present if you will any farms or breeders that raise their clowns on a dry diet only and it is known first foods are baby brine and rotifiers- Not flakes and pellets for an apparent reason. Look up clown diets on the web and see what the recommendations are.
Im not going to spend my Sunday arguing about flakes but having and selling clowns 3 decades - I have a clue about dietary needs. Again , im Not saying flakes and pellets are bad , but they need more

 

[sc50964]

Pellets like TDO are excellent in protein content. You are arguing that this is a total diet, I agree flakes and pellets are acceptable but are not total diets and what flakes and pellets are being fed and at what protein content. You will likely Not find breeders feeding a dry staple Only to their fish. You are insisting they can eat dry only - and they need a mixture . As for constipation, 90% of clowns we see are on dry diet and it is remedied with soft foods.
They eat their eggs under stress, when eggs are diseased or non-fertile and when looking for a food source.
I attend many seminars and speak often with clown breeders and many of the presentations on clowns express this same info.
Present if you will any farms or breeders that raise their clowns on a dry diert only and it is known first foods are baby brine and rotifiers- Not flakes and pellets for an apparent reason. Look up clown diets on the web and see what the recommendations are.
Im not going to spend my Sunday arguing about flakes but having and selling clowns 3 decades - I have a clue about dietary needs. Again , im Not saying flakes and pellets are bad , but they need more

Why do they get constipation? Is it cuz the food is too dry? Or is it bc it’s too processed? Or maybe it’s cuz they don’t contain veggies.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Why do they get constipation? Is it cuz the food is too dry? Or is it bc it’s too processed? Or maybe it’s cuz they don’t contain veggies.

You sort of answered- Content and preservatives that keep the food dry

Here is a couple of links that describe clown diet - Cant confirm credible sources but both have same basis and recommendations. Everyone entitled to feed what they want.

Best Food For Clownfish | 5 food options

Clownfish are popular fish to keep as pets, and you can also call them anemones. They are saltwater fish, and the good thing about them is that they are omnivores. This means that they are not picky eaters, and their diet shouldn’t be a problem. You only need to combine a vegetarian diet and...

www.davidsaquariumadvice.com

What Do Clownfish Eat? (Complete List of Foods) - AquaticPals

So, you’re interested in getting a clownfish. Excellent! Clownfish are one of the most popular fish in the aquarium hobby. Colorful, easy to care for, and fairly inexpensive, these fish surely deserve the reputation they have. As a responsible hobbyist, you probably want to learn as much as...

www.aquaticpals.com

 

[Is this the LFS]

It is still breathing heavy. I can’t say what is causing that though. The fins look a little cloudy also. I normally don’t suggest this, but I wonder if you should give it a five minute FW dip and then see how it is breathing 24 hours later. If the breathing improves, you can then assume some sort of gill parasite. FW dips are not 100% risk free though….
Jay

I actually did do a freshwater dip a couple of days ago. Didn’t seem to do much for him

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I actually did do a freshwater dip a couple of days ago. Didn’t seem to do much for him

There are a few diseases that cause rapid breathing, but are little known and there is no treatment for them - coccidia and microsporidians. How does it look today?

Jay

 

[Is this the LFS]

Thanks for the help guys. Unfortunately a couple days ago he went missing. I’m assuming cuc got to him before I could remove him from the tank