Busted!!! For Illegal Live Rock Collection/Sales

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  1. d2mini

    d2mini Moderator Staff Member Team R2R R2R Supporter R2R Excellence Award Photo of the Month Award Build Thread Contributor Article Contributor

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    Dale Barger of Florida Live Rock got off easy IMO.
    Future prosecutions are rumored to get harsher and harsher.
    https://www.fws.gov/le/pdf/01-17-2018-barger-sentencing.doc

    Do your part folks... buy AQUACULTURED live rock from places like TampaBaySaltwater and KP Aquatics. You get all the same benefits but it's not harming the reef.

    I've seen these operations first hand. They're legit.

    Dry rock about to go in...

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    And here it is a few months later...

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    That’s sad. So how can I tell at my lfs if it is legit or not. They mark the fish as t/r ic tank raised.
     
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    He made $$ on the deal was fined $35,000 for 15,000 pounds of live rock thats $2.33 a pound he made a killing on this deal
     
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    That was only the last 7 months!!!
    That's all the hard evidence the feds had on him.
    Think of all the money made over the past 20 or more years.
     
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    There's really only TBS and KP Aquatics that are currently culturing florida live rock legally. So if they say they have florida live rock, ask who they got it from.
    But your LFS is probably bringing in boat rock or air freight rock from fiji or something. It's basically dead rock by the time they get it.
     
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    This is what gives our industry a bad name
     
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    Arcreef.com as well
     
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    Glad he’s busted but he got off way too easy. Think of how much money he’s made over the years... That’s how much his fine should be. At least. What a jerk.
     
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    Tbs & other legit sellers of live rock have to go thru a lot of legalities to get a license in Florida state waters. It's mind boggling ! I know that if it sits on the floor of Florida waters it's hands off. You can suspend it though. From private dock or such. If interested google Florida fish & game commission . Other states laws vary but Florida is very strict on this.
     
  10. Gregory Stephens

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    I looked at suspending some base rock for my tank. I decided to take the long path and go with dry rock. I don't want to import any problems.
     
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    Dead is dead.

    No comparrison if you've ever seen normal dry-shipped* live rock – which is not dead.

    The main thing missing compared to bag wet live rock like we are promoting in this thread is the quantity of macro-life.

    (* Stupid name for that packing style since "dry-shipped" is actually wet wrapped in wet newspaper then shipped. There are almost always a few worms crabs and other things still crawling around when it gets unwrapped.)
     
  12. d2mini

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    Are you 100% sure about that?
     
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    Is this the same as GulfLiveRock?
     
  14. don_chuwish

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    It would be nice to get some independent verification but their website sure tells a good story.
     
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    Yeah, as sure as the other two. Not actually having seen anyone’s permits (or an audit thereof), there may be more for all i know.

    https://arcreef.com/about/

    Btw, what was the busted guy’s website ?
     
  16. d2mini

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    Time will tell and reveal all! We'll see who's left standing in the end.
    Dale was the first to be prosecuted. You can bet there will be more to come. The hammer is coming down.
     
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    Yea the link above has their permit number and licenses posted.
     
  18. d2mini

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    Just because you have permit/lease, doesn't mean you are necessarily using the lease (placing your own dry rock there to be seeded and sold later) when there is a bunch of "free" real live rock just sitting a few miles away.
    I'm not pointing fingers but think about that. The feds will find out exactly what's going on.
    Remember, its not a permit to harvest live rock. That has been banned. It has to be aquacultured.

    http://www.floridaliverock.com/
     
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    Lazy, he had the permits and license to harvest correctly but didn’t want the extra work to plant. I’m impressed they actually busted him.
     
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    True the only real way to verify is to go with them on EVERY DIVE
     
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