Create a concentrated version of All For Reef by adding K+ and A- Elements to carbocalcium

[The Opinionated Reefer]

I came across this on another forum. A member there claims to have got this email from Hans-Werner Balling regarding adding trace elements to Carbocalcium. He wrote:

Thank you very much for your trust in our products.

For a solution of Carbocalcium Powder with K+ and A- Elements please follow this instruction: For 1 l of Carbocalcium plus trace elements solution fill up 140 g of Carbocalcium Powder with RO water to 800 ml and dissolve as much powder as possible. Then add 100 ml of each K+ and A- Elements and dissolve the remaining Carbocalcium Powder completely, fill up to 1 l.

When dosed manually you also can add 10 ml of each K+ and A- Elements each 100 ml of Carbocalcium solution added.

This is effectively allowing you to create a concentrated version of 'All For Reef'.

Does this sound like is would actually work? Wouldn't there be some sort of unwanted reaction between the K+ and A- Elements that's why they are in separate bottles?

 

[Ranjib]

Bump

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Sorry, I do not know what is in all those products at what concentration to say. If you mix it and it stays clear, you are likely ok. If it gets cloudy, not so good.

 

[The Opinionated Reefer]

Is carbocalcium just pure calcium formate?

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I believe so.

 

[The Opinionated Reefer]

Is there nowhere we can buy this cheaper in bulk? I'm in the UK.

 

[Lou Ekus]

I came across this on another forum. A member there claims to have got this email from Hans-Werner Balling regarding adding trace elements to Carbocalcium. He wrote:

Thank you very much for your trust in our products.

For a solution of Carbocalcium Powder with K+ and A- Elements please follow this instruction: For 1 l of Carbocalcium plus trace elements solution fill up 140 g of Carbocalcium Powder with RO water to 800 ml and dissolve as much powder as possible. Then add 100 ml of each K+ and A- Elements and dissolve the remaining Carbocalcium Powder completely, fill up to 1 l.

When dosed manually you also can add 10 ml of each K+ and A- Elements each 100 ml of Carbocalcium solution added.

This is effectively allowing you to create a concentrated version of 'All For Reef'.

Does this sound like is would actually work? Wouldn't there be some sort of unwanted reaction between the K+ and A- Elements that's why they are in separate bottles?

Just to clarify Hans Werner's reply to you... The reason the mixing of the A and K does not cause an issue, is that it is diluted by the Carbocalcium. So the A and K are not in the same concentrations that they would be if you just mixed them together, directly from the bottle, without the Carbocalcium. They are both diluted by the 100ml of Carbocalcium, or by the 800ml after mixing the powder.
I hope this makes sense and clears up the question.

 

[Lou Ekus]

I came across this on another forum. A member there claims to have got this email from Hans-Werner Balling regarding adding trace elements to Carbocalcium. He wrote:

Thank you very much for your trust in our products.

For a solution of Carbocalcium Powder with K+ and A- Elements please follow this instruction: For 1 l of Carbocalcium plus trace elements solution fill up 140 g of Carbocalcium Powder with RO water to 800 ml and dissolve as much powder as possible. Then add 100 ml of each K+ and A- Elements and dissolve the remaining Carbocalcium Powder completely, fill up to 1 l.

When dosed manually you also can add 10 ml of each K+ and A- Elements each 100 ml of Carbocalcium solution added.

This is effectively allowing you to create a concentrated version of 'All For Reef'.

Does this sound like is would actually work? Wouldn't there be some sort of unwanted reaction between the K+ and A- Elements that's why they are in separate bottles?

Also, it is not exactly a "concentrated version of All-For-Reef, because it does not have the Mg included in the Carbocalcium as it is in the All-For-Reef.

 

[Frank_Aaron]

Also, it is not exactly a "concentrated version of All-For-Reef, because it does not have the Mg included in the Carbocalcium as it is in the All-For-Reef.

Any way to add the Mg into this mix? Would love to be able to mix up my own "All4Reef" that match my tanks Mg demand.

 

[The Opinionated Reefer]

Yes there is another thread where has says you can.

Ca and Alk in the same supplement? How does this work?

You can take 140 g of Carbocalcium Powder fill it up with R/O water to 800 ml and dissolve as much as can be dissolved. Then add 100 ml of each, A- and K+ Elements, and dissolve the remaining Carbocalcium Powder completely. At last add 12 g of Bio-Magnesium and dissolve it. This solution comes...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Ktran350]

BRS did a video that stated you can as well. Here’s a screen shot of the video and of the formula.

 

[Bramzor]

Tropic Marin Pro-Coral Mineral should be a powdered version of both K+ and A- elements.
So I wonder, can it be mixed with CarboCalcium and what would be the advised amount so it would be equal to mixing K+ and A- as a liquid form?

 

[The Opinionated Reefer]

Tropic Marin Pro-Coral Mineral should be a powdered version of both K+ and A- elements.
So I wonder, can it be mixed with CarboCalcium and what would be the advised amount so it would be equal to mixing K+ and A- as a liquid form?

yeah that is a good question?

 

[Reef Stallion]

Following!

 

[Bramzor]

yeah that is a good question?

Apparently Tropic Marin Pro-Coral Mineral are not the 17th trace elements that can be found in K+ and A- but the 30 trace elements that are in the salt. But they haven't tested it when added to Carbocalcium yet. They did say however that instead of doing K+ and A- in the carbocalcium dosage, you could add a scoop of the powder every week as these are not used that fast and can be kept stable dosing the powder directly.

 

[Hans-Werner]

Pro-Coral Mineral is not a powder version of the K+ and A- Elements but a completely different formulation.

Pro-Coral Mineral are the same 70 trace elements (nearly all elements of the periodic table of elements except the radioactive elements and the noble gases) in the same proportions as in the Tropic Marin sea salt mixes.

K+ and A- Elements are only the trace elements with known biological functions in the proportions as they are incorporated by coral and algal growth.

 

[Mysterious_waters]

wondering if anyone knows if you can add A and K to all for reef the same way .

 

[Shirak]

the AFR powder already has the trace elements. Are you trying to increase them further?

 

[Mysterious_waters]

the AFR powder already has the trace elements. Are you trying to increase them further?

wasn't sure what elements were in there and if they were enough... but i found this.

 

[Shirak]

wasn't sure what elements were in there and if they were enough... but i found this.

I periodically test for Ca, Mg, K. You may find it necessary to tweak your AFR dosage and occasionally adjust some levels such as Mg. Note K is not included in AFR so you may need to dose a little K periodically. Depends on you tanks usage and things like water changes and amount changed and salt mix

my frag tank system needs a little Alk boost each week. Ca and Mg levels stay where I want them but a little alk each week and the occasional bit of K.