Dino-X "polymer of N-methylmethanamine" distinct from Algaefix?

[taricha]

Does this name / description of the cationic polymer in Dino-X "polymer of N-methylmethanamine" distinguish that it is different from the one in Algaefix?
I have no reason to think they are the same cationic polymer. I'm just wondering if the name tells us they are different?
The einecs number for Dino-X (204-697-4) and the CAS number for algaefix (31512-74-0) don't seem to have any overlapping synonyms.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

294-697-4 is the dimethylamine itself, not a polymer made from it. Confusing they would give that number.

I’ll look into this more when I’m on my computer instead of a phone, but in my opinion, the name given is incomplete and does not clearly identify a real thing.

 

[Dan_P]

Does this name / description of the cationic polymer in Dino-X "polymer of N-methylmethanamine" distinguish that it is different from the one in Algaefix?
I have no reason to think they are the same cationic polymer. I'm just wondering if the name tells us they are different?
The einecs number for Dino-X (204-697-4) and the CAS number for algaefix (31512-74-0) don't seem to have any overlapping synonyms.

Hey, we need an NMR.

 

[Dan_P]

Does this name / description of the cationic polymer in Dino-X "polymer of N-methylmethanamine" distinguish that it is different from the one in Algaefix?
I have no reason to think they are the same cationic polymer. I'm just wondering if the name tells us they are different?
The einecs number for Dino-X (204-697-4) and the CAS number for algaefix (31512-74-0) don't seem to have any overlapping synonyms.

I assume the product solution is not basic.

 

[taricha]

I assume the product solution is not basic.

Yeah pH in the 6.1-2 range.

Lol at NMR. I just want to know if our algaecide choices in the hobby include two different cationic polymers.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

The name is clearly incomplete. There is no polymer made from just dimethylamine.

It would be a terribly nonstandard way to start the name for polexitonium (polyquaternum 42), but it is not impossible for one to name polexitonium starting with the words “polymer of N-methylmethanamine…” and then leaving of the rest of the name that includes other parts of the polymer.

My money is on a different polymer where they also left off the remainder of the registered algaecide named “methanamine,N-methyl, polymer with 2-(chloromethyl) oxirane” which has a cas number of 25988-97-0. In simpler terms, it is a copolymer of dimethylamine and epichlorihydrin.it goes by the name Barquat PQ-2 and claims to be a swimming pool algaecide.

 

[taricha]

Thanks, Randy. Much appreciated.

For any interested, here's descriptions of the product from fauna marin.
Dino-X is a more current one, the older one was when it was known as "algea X"