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I will also post my NDOC results when I get them.
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I agree with testing should be useful, however what I don’t understand is triton did thousands of NDOC tests and analysed there database of 30000 users and whilst they have published there theory on ratios, there has been nothing else from them, surely if they had anything conclusive they would be publishing results and telling us as nuisance algae’s/ bacteria’s are so common in the hobby, rather than the very cloak and dagger approach and there 6 potions to “balance” things out. Hopefully one day they will truly try to help... unless as a lot of threads have discussed there data collection was at best sketchy...Glad I finally got a chance to read the thread. This discussion needs to happen.
A few thoughts.
I don't believe in single causes or single-effect cures for dinos, I do however agree with the thesis of this thread.
Namely, there are many photosynthetic organisms in our systems and many nutrient forms. They don't all like the same things equally. Dinos are more capable at uptake of larger organic molecule forms than smaller inorganic ones, algae are reversed in preferring small inorganic versions.
(I'll dig up published papers on this, it's kinda key)
So in my thinking about dinos, it's always about shifting influences to favor some things over others. Ratios and amounts of organic nutrients are key and measuring them ought to be helpful.
(I'll dig up published papers on this, it's kinda key)
Not really. It's all about context.Hmmmm then I wonder if dosing the coral aminos are a horrible idea
I agree with testing should be useful, however what I don’t understand is triton did thousands of NDOC tests and analysed there database of 30000 users and whilst they have published there theory on ratios, there has been nothing else from them, surely if they had anything conclusive they would be publishing results and telling us as nuisance algae’s/ bacteria’s are so
Could you please explain what light it’s shed as I cannot see anything yet despite reading as much on NDOC as I can findThis thread has shed some new light, which is great.
I’m glad you have seen your predicted change in the TNb figures you wanted, but what has happened in your tank? Has it made any diference to corals, dinos or bacteria? How does everything look at lower levels? Has the reduced feedings affected anything negatively?Just got my first N-DOC back after reducing my feedings and also reducing my inorganic export and the proportion of TNb that is locked in organic form did drop.
In the previous N-DOC test I had a TNb = 6.81ppm potential NO3 with only 0.25ppm NO3 tested. Ratio of 26:1 organic to inorganic N
The current N-DOC shows TNb = 6.41ppm potential NO3 with 4ppm NO3 tested. Ratio of 1.41:2 organic to inorganic N
I've increased my inorganic Nitrogen but also decreased my Total Nitrogen Bound! This is important if we want to decrease the potential for Dinos and Cyano.
I’m glad you have seen your predicted change in the TNb figures you wanted, but what has happened in your tank? Has it made any diference to corals, dinos or bacteria? How does everything look at lower levels? Has the reduced feedings affected anything negatively?
I’m really glad your system is doing well, I’m still not sure that you can attribute it to reducing TNb levels, i do 100% agree that input and output of nutrients needs to be balanced to have a healthy system, but more importantly NO3 and PO4 need to be at healthy levels. it will be interesting to see how NDOC testing goes over the next few years..Well, 5 months ago my tank was so under fed that I couldn't keep hard corals. Then I overfeed to the point of a Dino outbreak followed by Red Cyano. Now hard corals are growing and colorful but I'm seeing a little bit of hair algae coming back. I'd have to say I've learned a lot though I still have a ways to go. The fact that corals are once again healthy and thriving makes be think by next year I'll have a healthy reef system.
The big takeaway is that we can overfeed and not know it because in this day and age inorganic nutrient export can be too efficient.
Currently have dinos that dont respond to UVC nor dirty metod.
N-doc https://www.triton-lab.de/en/showroom/aquarium/auswertung-a/n-doc/1668/
ICP https://www.triton-lab.de/en/showroom/aquarium/auswertung-b/icp-oes/74396/
What was your tested NO3 and PO4 at the time of the N-DOC test? How old is the tank?
No3: 2.0
Po4: 0
Tank has been up for abit over a year, dino bloom along with hairalgae came when i decided to rearrange the scape abit and stirred up alot of crap from the sand. Skimmer which produced little to no skimmate for the first year now produces a thick black sludge and alot of it
Just got my first N-DOC back after reducing my feedings and also reducing my inorganic export and the proportion of TNb that is locked in organic form did drop.
In the previous N-DOC test I had a TNb = 6.81ppm potential NO3 with only 0.25ppm NO3 tested. Ratio of 26:1 organic to inorganic N
The current N-DOC shows TNb = 6.41ppm potential NO3 with 4ppm NO3 tested. Ratio of 1.41:2 organic to inorganic N
I've increased my inorganic Nitrogen but also decreased my Total Nitrogen Bound! This is important if we want to decrease the potential for Dinos and Cyano.
Well to me you organic Nitrogen looks great! How bad is the outbreak and do you have any pictures? Considering the nutrient potential of your tank it shouldn’t be a terrible outbreak.
Your PO4 level is concerning. How long has it been at zero. I was having a discourse with a person from “Dr. Tim’s” and their Waste-Away product will not work if PO4 is hitting zero. The beneficial bacteria that compete with Dinos and Cyano to break down organic nutrients need a supply of both NO3 and PO4 survive.