Dinoflagellates - dinos a possible cure!? Follow along and see!

[Paullawr]

ostreopsis cysts - two forms from my beaker tests. Characteristic sesame seed shape with double thick wall - this is thought to be short term to deal with temporary bad conditions, or round with spherical double thick wall - this version is thought to be longer term, like to overwinter until next growing season.

Very neat little fella me lads aren't they. Talk about self preservation....

 

[Fr4nkthet4nk]

I want to post a picture of what I have in my tank and I want to see if you guys have an idea what is going on. After dosing H2O2 my Dino looks different. I haven't checked under the microscope. I don't see any more bubble on them. I will post a new picture later.

 

[mandrieu]

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Yes, they are awesome. I like their videos a lot and their service is excellent. I regularly buy stuff from them

 

[Paullawr]

Yes, they are awesome. I like their videos a lot and their service is excellent. I regularly buy stuff from them

I wish i could buy from them. I'm from the UK. Their stock always looks top notch.

Been a subscriber to their vids some time and always look forward to new ones.

 

[mandrieu]

I think most are opting for this reboot of sorts.

If I had a smaller tank, like a 29 gallon that's what I would do at this point. Nuke the tank, throw sand, rocks away and start over. If you saved any coral or fish, do some voodoo to try not to bring the bug back. But I've already restarted my 125G once about 1 year and a half ago and I got the bugs again. Can't afford spending all that cash for the 3rd time in rocks, livestock and stuff so I'll keep trying

 

[Paullawr]

If I had a smaller tank, like a 29 gallon that's what I would do at this point. Nuke the tank, throw sand, rocks away and start over. If you saved any coral or fish, do some voodoo to try not to bring the bug back. But I've already restarted my 125G once about 1 year and a half ago and I got the bugs again. Can't afford spending all that cash for the 3rd time in rocks, livestock and stuff so I'll keep trying

I agree buddy. People do beat them it's just through bloody, sweat, tears and a whole lot of the big unknown....

 

[bevo5]

That's what I'd do if I were trying to CAUSE a dino bloom. They do great in low P.
First thing I'd always do (unless I knew it was amphidinium) is UV.
yours look too stringy to be amphidinium, and a little too clumpy to be ostreopsis. I'd bet prorocentrum lima(?). Any chance you could get it under a microscope? Any snail/CuC deaths? Is it growing in good flow, or highest possible flow in the tank?

I'm pretty certain mine are amphidinium. They don't spiral around in the scope - just swim around. Is there something specific that seems to work with amphidinium?

 

[taricha]

I want to post a picture of what I have in my tank and I want to see if you guys have an idea what is going on. After dosing H2O2 my Dino looks different. I haven't checked under the microscope. I don't see any more bubble on them. I will post a new picture later.

That is prorocentrum lima(?) from before peroxide.
Would also like to see tank shots before and after peroxide, too. Since you say there's a noticeable different appearance.

 

[Fr4nkthet4nk]

That is prorocentrum lima(?) from before peroxide.
Would also like to see tank shots before and after peroxide, too. Since you say there's a noticeable different appearance.

I have a video

 

[Fr4nkthet4nk]

I have a video

 

[wyattray]

Turning off my Skimmer, GFO, Carbon its seem to have increased the number of Dino especially at night. Something im going to look into. Are protein skimmers known to remove them from the water column?

 

[m0jjen]

I have a pretty nasty case of the dinos atm. I recived my triton the other day and noticed that my phosphate is pretty much 0 and this is without any GFO or binder of any kind.

Anyone with simular results whom has dino? I highly doubt its a nutrient issue here since my no3 and po4 are so low :| The only thing i use for export is a deltec sc1456 skimmer.

 

[taricha]

I'm pretty certain mine are amphidinium. They don't spiral around in the scope - just swim around. Is there something specific that seems to work with amphidinium?

I looked for your pics in other thread. Google Coolia (or coolia monotis) pics and especially vids, and see if you don't like that ID better than amphidinium.

Something weird going on. 1 year ago, when I got my coolia, nobody else had it. I looked through everyone else's pics for weeks. Nothing like mine.
Now a handful of others all have it right now.

 

[Paullawr]

I have a pretty nasty case of the dinos atm. I recived my triton the other day and noticed that my phosphate is pretty much 0 and this is without any GFO or binder of any kind.

Anyone with simular results whom has dino? I highly doubt its a nutrient issue here since my no3 and po4 are so low :| The only thing i use for export is a deltec sc1456 skimmer.

I don't believe it's no3 or po4.

There is a trigger which makes them bloom. I had an outbreak once when i dosed too many trace elements. Coincidence? Probably, but something made them go nuts.

The only fact I know is they adore aquarium conditions and more people have them now than ever before. It used to be aiptasia. Thats something i don't see very often now. Instead we have this.

I think R2R should run a poll. Find out how many active members have had them or had them.
With follow up questions like params are / were. What was done last before the popped up and last date prior was something last introduced.
What worked if they beat them and how long been free of them.

 

[Fr4nkthet4nk]

That is prorocentrum lima(?) from before peroxide.
Would also like to see tank shots before and after peroxide, too. Since you say there's a noticeable different appearance.

Do you have any idea how to deal with this?

 

[m0jjen]

I don't believe it's no3 or po4.

There is a trigger which makes them bloom. I had an outbreak once when i dosed too many trace elements. Coincidence? Probably, but something made them go nuts.

The only fact I know is they adore aquarium conditions and more people have them now than ever before. It used to be aiptasia. Thats something i don't see very often now. Instead we have this.

I think R2R should run a poll. Find out how many active members have had them or had them.
With follow up questions like params are / were. What was done last before the popped up and last date prior was something last introduced.
What worked if they beat them and how long been free of them.

Fortunately i did a tritontest about 2 weeks in advance of me getting dino. ill analyze it below:

Test 1 2017-02-23 Test 2 2017-03-29

Hg - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Se - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Cd - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Sn - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Sb - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
As - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Al - 11 µg/l - 29 µg/l (+18 µg/l, used 100 ml of triton al99 so thats why)
Pb - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Ti - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Cu - 0 µg/l - 4.45 µg/l (+ 4.45 µg/l)
La - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Sc - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
W - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l

Na - 10255 mg/l - 10318 mg/l (+63 mg/l)
Ca - 436 mg/l - 410 mg/l (-26 mg/l)
Mg - 1398 mg/l - 1445 mg/l (+47 mg/l)
K - 381 mg/l - 382 mg/l (+1 mg/l)
Br - 53 mg/l - 67 mg/l (+14 mg/l)
B - 4.158 mg/l - 4.234 mg/l (+0.076 mg/l)
Sr - 6.299 mg/l - 6.904 mg/l (+ 0.605 mg/l)
S - 842 mg/l - 791 mg/l (-51 mg/l)

Li - 123 µg/l - 97 µg/l (- 26 µg/l)
Ni - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Mo - 2.33 µg/l - 4.95 (+2.62 µg/l)

V - 0 µg/l - 0µg/l
Zn - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Mn - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
I - 18 µg/l - 33 µg/l (+15 µg/l)

Cr - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Co - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Fe - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l

Ba - 237 µg/l - 162 µg/l (-75 µg/l)
Be - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l

Si - 134 µg/l - 0 µg/l (-134 µg/l)

P - 2.218 µg/l - 1.099 µg/l (-1.119 µg/l)
Po4 - 0.007 mg/l - 0.003 mg/l (-0.004 mg/l)

This is the complete list from both tests barely a month inbetween first had no dino second has ALOT of dino. Major changes are:

Ba - 237 µg/l - 162 µg/l (-75 µg/l)
Si - 134 µg/l - 0 µg/l (-134 µg/l)
P - 2.218 µg/l - 1.099 µg/l (-1.119 µg/l)
Po4 - 0.007 mg/l - 0.003 mg/l (-0.004 mg/l)
Li - 123 µg/l - 97 µg/l (- 26 µg/l)
Mo - 2.33 µg/l - 4.95 (+2.62 µg/l)

Im guessing silicates are low due to dino consuming them? Po4 i have no idea why since i feed ALOT.

 

[Paullawr]

Fortunately i did a tritontest about 2 weeks in advance of me getting dino. ill analyze it below:

Test 1 2017-02-23 Test 2 2017-03-29

Hg - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Se - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Cd - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Sn - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Sb - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
As - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Al - 11 µg/l - 29 µg/l (+18 µg/l, used 100 ml of triton al99 so thats why)
Pb - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Ti - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Cu - 0 µg/l - 4.45 µg/l (+ 4.45 µg/l)
La - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Sc - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
W - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l

Na - 10255 mg/l - 10318 mg/l (+63 mg/l)
Ca - 436 mg/l - 410 mg/l (-26 mg/l)
Mg - 1398 mg/l - 1445 mg/l (+47 mg/l)
K - 381 mg/l - 382 mg/l (+1 mg/l)
Br - 53 mg/l - 67 mg/l (+14 mg/l)
B - 4.158 mg/l - 4.234 mg/l (+0.076 mg/l)
Sr - 6.299 mg/l - 6.904 mg/l (+ 0.605 mg/l)
S - 842 mg/l - 791 mg/l (-51 mg/l)

Li - 123 µg/l - 97 µg/l (- 26 µg/l)
Ni - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Mo - 2.33 µg/l - 4.95 (+2.62 µg/l)

V - 0 µg/l - 0µg/l
Zn - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Mn - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
I - 18 µg/l - 33 µg/l (+15 µg/l)

Cr - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Co - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Fe - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l

Ba - 237 µg/l - 162 µg/l (-75 µg/l)
Be - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l

Si - 134 µg/l - 0 µg/l (-134 µg/l)

P - 2.218 µg/l - 1.099 µg/l (-1.119 µg/l)
Po4 - 0.007 mg/l - 0.003 mg/l (-0.004 mg/l)

This is the complete list from both tests barely a month inbetween first had no dino second has ALOT of dino. Major changes are:

Ba - 237 µg/l - 162 µg/l (-75 µg/l)
Si - 134 µg/l - 0 µg/l (-134 µg/l)
P - 2.218 µg/l - 1.099 µg/l (-1.119 µg/l)
Po4 - 0.007 mg/l - 0.003 mg/l (-0.004 mg/l)
Li - 123 µg/l - 97 µg/l (- 26 µg/l)
Mo - 2.33 µg/l - 4.95 (+2.62 µg/l)

Im guessing silicates are low due to dino consuming them? Po4 i have no idea why since i feed ALOT.

What do you use for nutrient export? If using Triton I would have thought algae?

Good filtration ????



It's reasonable to think Dino's are consuming po4 but i don't for a moment think that's the reason. Many here run ULNS and also having Dino parties.

I guess the bloom is we have little to keep them in check. For all we know it could be viruses that control them in nature.

Silicates are usually consumed by algae. Though interestingly Dino's.usually follow a diatom outbreak. Diatoms usually appear when silicates are in water. Dog eat dog?

 

[mandrieu]

Fortunately i did a tritontest about 2 weeks in advance of me getting dino. ill analyze it below:

Test 1 2017-02-23 Test 2 2017-03-29

Hg - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Se - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Cd - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Sn - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Sb - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
As - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Al - 11 µg/l - 29 µg/l (+18 µg/l, used 100 ml of triton al99 so thats why)
Pb - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Ti - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Cu - 0 µg/l - 4.45 µg/l (+ 4.45 µg/l)
La - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Sc - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
W - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l

Na - 10255 mg/l - 10318 mg/l (+63 mg/l)
Ca - 436 mg/l - 410 mg/l (-26 mg/l)
Mg - 1398 mg/l - 1445 mg/l (+47 mg/l)
K - 381 mg/l - 382 mg/l (+1 mg/l)
Br - 53 mg/l - 67 mg/l (+14 mg/l)
B - 4.158 mg/l - 4.234 mg/l (+0.076 mg/l)
Sr - 6.299 mg/l - 6.904 mg/l (+ 0.605 mg/l)
S - 842 mg/l - 791 mg/l (-51 mg/l)

Li - 123 µg/l - 97 µg/l (- 26 µg/l)
Ni - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Mo - 2.33 µg/l - 4.95 (+2.62 µg/l)

V - 0 µg/l - 0µg/l
Zn - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Mn - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
I - 18 µg/l - 33 µg/l (+15 µg/l)

Cr - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Co - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l
Fe - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l

Ba - 237 µg/l - 162 µg/l (-75 µg/l)
Be - 0 µg/l - 0 µg/l

Si - 134 µg/l - 0 µg/l (-134 µg/l)

P - 2.218 µg/l - 1.099 µg/l (-1.119 µg/l)
Po4 - 0.007 mg/l - 0.003 mg/l (-0.004 mg/l)

This is the complete list from both tests barely a month inbetween first had no dino second has ALOT of dino. Major changes are:

Ba - 237 µg/l - 162 µg/l (-75 µg/l)
Si - 134 µg/l - 0 µg/l (-134 µg/l)
P - 2.218 µg/l - 1.099 µg/l (-1.119 µg/l)
Po4 - 0.007 mg/l - 0.003 mg/l (-0.004 mg/l)
Li - 123 µg/l - 97 µg/l (- 26 µg/l)
Mo - 2.33 µg/l - 4.95 (+2.62 µg/l)

Im guessing silicates are low due to dino consuming them? Po4 i have no idea why since i feed ALOT.

Impressive data. On the Silicates comment, as far as I know, Dinos don't consume silicates. Diatoms do consume Silicates, a lot, to the point of it being a limiting nutrient. You get rid of silicates... bye bye diatoms. I wish we could find what Dinos eat, consume, that limiting factor.

 

[Paullawr]

Impressive data. On the Silicates comment, as far as I know, Dinos don't consume silicates. Diatoms do consume Silicates, a lot, to the point of it being a limiting nutrient. You get rid of silicates... bye bye diatoms. I wish we could find what Dinos eat, consume, that limiting factor.

That's what i was saying.

Diatoms appear on silicates.
Dino's appear after diatom outbreaks. There is clear and heavily reported instances of this.
Diatoms disapear... Is it that the Dino's are consuming them. I know taricha.will moan at me for saying that but I find it suspicious.

 

[mandrieu]

Silicates are usually consumed by algae. Though interestingly Dino's.usually follow a diatom outbreak. Diatoms usually appear when silicates are in water. Dog eat dog?

As I mentioned in my previous response, I'm not aware Dinos consume Silicates, although maybe they just need a tiny unmeasurable amount of it?
And, while true we've seen dino blooms after diatoms, we also see dino blooms regularly without them, or before/after cyano, or...