Dinos came back

[Th0rn]

Any insight would be welcome please!

My dinos suddenly came back after being gone for months and I am not really sure why. My Nitrate has been 8-10ppm and my phosphate has been 0.05-0.07ppm for along time. The only thing that has changed recently is I started to dose KZ coral’s love after getting a bunch of new acro frags. I feel as if it is tied to the introduction of that but I cannot find any information on what Coral’s love contains that could cause that. I am hesitant to start attacking the dinos because I really don’t want to upset my new frags.
Any suggestions?

Side note: The dinos are only appearing in my frag tank and not my main display (connected) which i also find really odd.

 

[CHSUB]

They went away before, it appears? What did you do to get rid of dinoflagellate before that you can’t do now?

 

[Marinus]

Do both tanks have similar clean up crews?

 

[Th0rn]

They went away before, it appears? What did you do to get rid of dinoflagellate before that you can’t do now?

I raised my temp to 83° and cut my lighting schedule in half while dosing phosphates
because last time my phosphates bottomed out

 

[Th0rn]

Do both tanks have similar clean up crews?

Yes they do

 

[Th0rn]

They went away before, it appears? What did you do to get rid of dinoflagellate before that you can’t do now?

I also dosed mb7 which I am planning on doing again. Its more the temperature (most effective part of the process last time) that I am hesitant to raise with the acros.

 

[CHSUB]

Few thought? I run my tank at about 81 and not convinced 83 is going to have any effect on dinoflagellate? Zooxanthellae is a dinoflagellate so killing them would most certainly hurt corals. You had “bottom out’ nutrients with dinos and acceptable nutrients and still had dinos, imo, this leads me to believe the myth of nutrient management is false. My recipe for elimination of any organism is manual removal. In this case problem dinos are managed with toothbrush, turkey basting, and WC to maintain low inorganic nutrients, which happens to be Dinos food. Corals can receive food directly and excess can be removed with filters.

 

[unclejed]

I raised my temp to 83° and cut my lighting schedule in half while dosing phosphates
because last time my phosphates bottomed out

Bottomed out? This is a good chart;

 

[Th0rn]

Bottomed out? This is a good chart;

Both were undetectable which is what caused the initial dino bloom.

 

[Th0rn]

Few thought? I run my tank at about 81 and not convinced 83 is going to have any effect on dinoflagellate? Zooxanthellae is a dinoflagellate so killing them would most certainly hurt corals. You had “bottom out’ nutrients with dinos and acceptable nutrients and still had dinos, imo, this leads me to believe the myth of nutrient management is false. My recipe for elimination of any organism is manual removal. In this case problem dinos are managed with toothbrush, turkey basting, and WC to maintain low inorganic nutrients, which happens to be Dinos food. Corals can receive food directly and excess can be removed with filters.

This could be possible. I have done toothbrush/turkey baster with no real effect as it reproduces too quickly. My suspicion is that the kz coral’s love contains idodine and iron which the dinos love causing them to get a leg up on the rest of the microbiome hence the reappearance when i started dosing it.

 

[Th0rn]

I confirmed that coral’s love has alot of iodine which i most likely what caused the bloom. For now I am going to stop dosing corals love and stop doing water changes to allow the iodine to come back down. I will start dosing bacteria and send out an icp to see where everything is at.

 

[BryanM]

having recently battled dinos due to bottomed out nutrients...

1). Dosed Microbacter7, NeoNitro, and NeoPhos - initially this helped.
2). Manual removal, when in "full bloom" only cleaned the sand for the night, next day, came back.
3). Lowering light again helped, but wasn't all that great.
4). #1, plus UV, helped quite a bit. Now manual removal helps more. Also, UV was what cleaned up all my rock from dinos, which I cannot even imagine trying to manually remove.

 

[Th0rn]

having recently battled dinos due to bottomed out nutrients...

1). Dosed Microbacter7, NeoNitro, and NeoPhos - initially this helped.
2). Manual removal, when in "full bloom" only cleaned the sand for the night, next day, came back.
3). Lowering light again helped, but wasn't all that great.
4). #1, plus UV, helped quite a bit. Now manual removal helps more. Also, UV was what cleaned up all my rock from dinos, which I cannot even imagine trying to manually remove.

Yeah i think its time to clean my uv and replace the bulb

 

[Yazannreef]

Any insight would be welcome please!

My dinos suddenly came back after being gone for months and I am not really sure why. My Nitrate has been 8-10ppm and my phosphate has been 0.05-0.07ppm for along time. The only thing that has changed recently is I started to dose KZ coral’s love after getting a bunch of new acro frags. I feel as if it is tied to the introduction of that but I cannot find any information on what Coral’s love contains that could cause that. I am hesitant to start attacking the dinos because I really don’t want to upset my new frags.
Any suggestions?

Side note: The dinos are only appearing in my frag tank and not my main display (connected) which i also find really odd.

Hey buddy,

Please stop using kz product. It's bunch of trace elements that you have no idea of the concentration and what your tank really needs. Just keep it simple.

In terms of your Dinos. It's a common accurence in a frag tank that's attached to a main display. Something passed it off for sure and high dose of iodine will cause it for sure.

I would take all the frag racks out and cleaning them good. Siphoned the bottom and then do a water change. Put a uv on for few days and I can guarantee you that they will be gone especially knowing that is only on the frag tank.

If you really want to dabble with trace elements just do an icp and add individual elements as needed.

 

[Nate Chalk]

Both were undetectable which is what caused the initial dino bloom.

I notice for myself , even one day of bottoming out. Can cause them to remount an attack.

Similar methods can get rid of them . Treat for them over time

 

[CHSUB]

have done toothbrush/turkey baster with no real effect as it reproduces too quickly

Thoughts? If your dog poop on the floor and you clean it up and a few hours later he poops again on the floor, do you clean it up? During my initial “ugly phase” I was toothbrushing/turkey basting almost daily and will do it again if need. Now, however, corals have taken over and no where for algae to grow except on the glass. After some effort, your tank/dog will be trained and no more cleaning up poop.

 

[Th0rn]

Hey buddy,

Please stop using kz product. It's bunch of trace elements that you have no idea of the concentration and what your tank really needs. Just keep it simple.

In terms of your Dinos. It's a common accurence in a frag tank that's attached to a main display. Something passed it off for sure and high dose of iodine will cause it for sure.

I would take all the frag racks out and cleaning them good. Siphoned the bottom and then do a water change. Put a uv on for few days and I can guarantee you that they will be gone especially knowing that is only on the frag tank.

If you really want to dabble with trace elements just do an icp and add individual elements as needed.

Okay will do!

 

[Th0rn]

Thoughts? If your dog poop on the floor and you clean it up and a few hours later he poops again on the floor, do you clean it up? During my initial “ugly phase” I was toothbrushing/turkey basting almost daily and will do it again if need. Now, however, corals have taken over and no where for algae to grow except on the glass. After some effort, your tank/dog will be trained and no more cleaning up poop.

I understand removal can work…. I was trying to find the root cause of it coming back which turned out to be the kz product as I suspected. The point I was trying to make is that without finding the root cause removal is going to be fruitless and it will continually come back.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Any insight would be welcome please!

My dinos suddenly came back after being gone for months and I am not really sure why. My Nitrate has been 8-10ppm and my phosphate has been 0.05-0.07ppm for along time. The only thing that has changed recently is I started to dose KZ coral’s love after getting a bunch of new acro frags. I feel as if it is tied to the introduction of that but I cannot find any information on what Coral’s love contains that could cause that. I am hesitant to start attacking the dinos because I really don’t want to upset my new frags.
Any suggestions?

Side note: The dinos are only appearing in my frag tank and not my main display (connected) which i also find really odd.

Coral love will raise Phos levels a little, as well as proteins. Its best for Soft coral versus stony coral despite bottle claims

 

[SonOfaGoat]

I've just won my battle with dinos after almost 4 months. Since the first month I dosed microbactor7, and zeobak, used a uv and turned down my lights. 2 months ago I started dosing silicate.
I didn't see much improvement until a month ago. I started to feed much heavier than my tank needed, I vacuumed dinos daily and cleaned my overflow sock. I also upped my Temps to about 81-82 nearly 3 weeks ago. When I did that I upped my lighting, Blues back to 100 and whites up to 40. Because I was vacuuming daily I wanted to trigger algea growth. This worked like a charm. My glass is now covered with pods and a faint film algea. I have no gha and coralline is taking off. Dinos have disappeared and now I just have some diatoms on the sand. I had some Ostreopsis at the start but than amphidinium after uv caused a dino crash. I haven't done a water change in a few months. I also have been running carbon after that initial crash.