DIY Ammonia dosing for low nitrate systems

I would not mix ammonium bicarbonate or chloride with kalk. The very high pH may may ammonia release to the air faster, and calcium carbonate may precipitate.
 
I would not mix ammonium bicarbonate or chloride with kalk. The very high pH may may ammonia release to the air faster, and calcium carbonate may precipitate.
I figured so. Just wanted to check. Kalk isn’t running yet but will be soon so ya sounds like just set up the ammonia bicarbonate to be dosed by dosing pump. Thank you as always!
 
As many as you can do without ammonia rising above a few tenths of a ppm, which may mean many spread out.
Is there a safe number, for an established tank with a lot of fish, running for a year +? I don't have an amonia test kit at the moment, thus the question. On 200g tank, can I dose 20ml in the morning, and 20ml at night?
 
Is there a safe number, for an established tank with a lot of fish, running for a year +? I don't have an amonia test kit at the moment, thus the question. On 200g tank, can I dose 20ml in the morning, and 20ml at night?

I think it’s like adding fish. One generally does not worry about adding fish slowly to an established tank, and so would not worry about slowly ramping up the number of ammonia doses. There are certainly people adding 1 ppm per day. But get there slowly.
 
I think it’s like adding fish. One generally does not worry about adding fish slowly to an established tank, and so would not worry about slowly ramping up the number of ammonia doses. There are certainly people adding 1 ppm per day. But get there slowly.
Thank you Randy
 
Is there a safe number, for an established tank with a lot of fish, running for a year +? I don't have an amonia test kit at the moment, thus the question. On 200g tank, can I dose 20ml in the morning, and 20ml at night?
That seems a little high! What does your coral load look like? I only dose 30ml per day in a 300 and it’s jam packed with large sps colonies.. I’d say 10ml per 100gallon is a great starting point! Also spread it out not a single shot!
 
That seems a little high! What does your coral load look like? I only dose 30ml per day in a 300 and it’s jam packed with large sps colonies.. I’d say 10ml per 100gallon is a great starting point! Also spread it out not a single shot!

So you are recommending for me to dose 10ml per 100 gallons, while I am dosing 20ml per 200 gallons? :-)
 
That seems a little high! What does your coral load look like? I only dose 30ml per day in a 300 and it’s jam packed with large sps colonies.. I’d say 10ml per 100gallon is a great starting point! Also spread it out not a single shot!
Also if I am understanding Randy's recommendation correctly, it's a safe single dose. It adds .1ppm which the tank should be able to handle.
 
Just as an update on my dosing on my 1100 gallon sytem, I am up to 230ml per day dosing 60 ml 4 times per day at 3 hour windows
12:01am to 3am
6:00am to 9:00am
12:01pm to 3:00pm then last
6:00pm to 9:00pm

My Nitrate are holding steady between 6-8 ppm
 
Also if I am understanding Randy's recommendation correctly, it's a safe single dose. It adds .1ppm which the tank should be able to handle.
It’s fine to dose it in a single shot but you’ll just build up nitrifying bacteria to take it out! If you do smaller doses over the course of the day the corals will be able to consume more. I’ve read several reports on this. I think @Dan_P did one?
 
So the idea is to start with .1ppm as a single dose. Over time, Ramp up the number of doses per day (say up to every 3-6 hours or so) to achieve your target nitrate level? After this the individual single dose volume can probably be increased slowly until target nitrate achieved.



Once dialed in are the daily ammonia requirements stable over time where a dosing pump can be scheduled or does the tank consumption fluctuate such that it should be manually dosed based on frequent/daily readings?

I hear that phosphate dosing is variable and should not be automated.
 
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I hear that phosphate dosing is variable and should not be automated.

I don’t know that I’ve seen a reason to agree that it should not be automated. Lot if negatives in that sentence. Lol.

In short, I think it is ok to automate.
 
I don’t know that I’ve seen a reason to agree that it should not be automated. Lot if negatives in that sentence. Lol.

In short, I think it is ok to automate.
Read that in the RMS handbook but he didn’t give support for the statement other than his feeling that the day to day needs may fluctuate
 
Read that in the RMS handbook but he didn’t give support for the statement other than his feeling that the day to day needs may fluctuate

I cannot see it being different than feeding fish the same amount every day. :)
 
Started to dose ammonia bicarbonate 4 weeks ago once a day 0.1ppm and now noticing some white bacteria buildup up everywhere in the sump and inside the skimmer, anyone had this?
 

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Some reef aquaria have chronic low nitrogen availability. One indicator is very low nitrate. Nitrate dosing is a fine remedy, but it is possible that ammonia dosing may be more beneficial for some organisms since ammonia can be energetically easier to assimilate than is nitrate.

For this reason, I thought it would be useful to provide some DIY directions for ammonia dosing.

There are many materials that could be used for ammonia dosing, including some household ammonia solutions, but in order to give better assurance of purity, I'm electing the show directions using food grade ammonium chloride and food grade ammonium bicarbonate.

Ammonium Chloride
Ammonium chloride, NH4Cl is essentially ammonia (NH3) plus hydrochloric acid (HCl). The reason I mention that fact relates to the impact on alkalinity. Dosing NH3 followed by consumption by organisms to form tissue in a net alkalinity neutral process. I'm ignoring the fact that if it is converted into nitrate, alk is lost, because if that nitrate is later used, all the alk lost comes back.

However, the HCl that is effectively dosed will steadily deplete alk. Adding the equivalent of 50 mg/L nitrate (0.81 meq/L; coming from NH4Cl) will have depleted 0.81 meq/l (2.3 dKH) of alkalinity. That may need to be made up for in some other fashion, such as adding more alkalintiy supplement.

High quality ammonium chloride is readily available and inexpensive. Loudwolf is one brand, but there are many. Aim for food grade or ACS reagent grade. Amazon carries many Loudwolf is $7 for 4 ounces, which contains 38,000 mg of ammonium, and is equivalent to 131,000 mg of nitrate, enough to raise 100 L of aquarium water to 5 ppm nitrate about 262 times. So cost is not significant.

Ammonium Bicarbonate
Ammonium bicarbonate, also known as baking ammonia, NH4 HCO3 is essentially ammonia (NH3) plus CO2 and water.

As mentioned above, dosing NH3 followed by consumption by organisms to form tissue in a net alkalinity neutral process. The CO2 and water also do not impact alkalinity. Thus, ammonium bicarbonate is a net alk neutral way to dose ammonia.

High quality ammonium bicarbonate is also available from Amazon as baking ammonia. It is readily available and inexpensive. One brand sells 11 ounces for $15, so it's cost is similar to the Loudwolf ammonium chloride per unit of ammonia added (one needs to use more of the ammonium bicarbonate than the ammonium chloride, evening out the cost).

Stock Solution
Using either of these materials, we will make a stock solution for dosing. Keep it closed up as it will smell of ammonia and slowly loses ammonia to the air. Ammonium bicarbonate will have a higher pH, smell more, and lose ammonia to the air faster.

13.5 grams of ammonium chloride (about 3 - 4.6 teaspoons, varies by brand) in 1 L RO/DI water.
OR
20 grams of ammonium bicarbonate (about 4 and 3/4 teaspoons) in 1 L RO/DI water.

Both solutions contain approximately 4300 mg/L (4.3 mg/mL) ammonia, equivalent to 15,700 mg/l nitrate.

Dosing

Don't be overly afraid of dosing ammonia due to toxicity, but one cannot dose substantial amounts all at once. IMO, it is safe to add 0.1 ppm ammonia (equivalent to 0.36 ppm nitrate) at once to any reef tank, and one can likely add more, if it mixes in well. Don't dose it right onto a fish, but dosing 2-3x that amount at once is also likely OK. Of course, using a dosing pump to spread out the dosing is fine and may be preferable, but be sure to guard against dosing pumps out of control (e.g., stuck on). Stock solutions can be increased or decreased in potency to match pumping needs. The ammonia could also be put into an ato since exact daily dosing is not required.

To add 0.1 mg/L ammonia to an aquarium, you would need to add 2.3 mL of either stock solution to a 100 L (26 gallon) aquarium. You may need to add this amount multiply times per day to dose enough.

I'd add it to a sump, if possible, to dilute it well before it gets to the main tank. Most folks dosing ammonia wouldn't also be using media intended to push the nitrogen cycle in various ways, but if you do, dose downstream of that media.

Of course, if anything seems to react badly the first time or two that you dose, stop dosing, double check the amounts, and perhaps come back to this thread for further discussion of what might be happening.

This article has a lot more on ammonia in reef aquaria, although some parts of it may not be correct (such as the utility of products such as Prime):

Ammonia and the Reef Aquarium by Randy Holmes-Farley - Reefkeeping.com

Happy Reefing!

edit: One can use this calculator for dosing these stock solutions. Use the entry for ammonia from ammonium nitrate when using the ammonium bicarbonate. For ammonium chloride, use it the same, but dose 0.7 times the amount it says to add to the aquarium.

http://theplantedtank.co.uk/calculator.htm
Thanks for this.
I was about to start with ammonium dosing but was wondering if it possible to use ammonium hydroxide and if there has been a write up for how to dose. If it’s a better option as well?
Thanks for your time.
 
Thanks for this.
I was about to start with ammonium dosing but was wondering if it possible to use ammonium hydroxide and if there has been a write up for how to dose. If it’s a better option as well?
Thanks for your time.

I recommend ammonium bicarbonate (inexpensive food grade solid: bakers ammonia), but ammonium hydroxide is ok. Both have nearly identical tank impacts.

Is there a reason to prefer the hydroxide?
 
I recommend ammonium bicarbonate (inexpensive food grade solid: bakers ammonia), but ammonium hydroxide is ok. Both have nearly identical tank impacts.

Is there a reason to prefer the hydroxide?
Just to help with alk and not to dose much more and I thought I read somewhere that it helps with ph as well. But was not 100% sure that’s why I was asking if there was a write up about using the hydroxide. I’ll just go with the bicarbonate.
Thank you again.
 

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