Dosing copper and GC in quarantine

[jsaldarr]

Hi all, I’ve done a lot of research on this forum including quarantine protocol and humble fish’s recommendations. Recently got a new clownfish 3 days ago and while waiting for Cupramine to arrive, I dosed general cure on Wednesday and the 2nd dose today. Instructions state to do a water change after 48 hrs. Question is, should I wait to start dosing copper after the water change to not run into having to redose copper to ensure therapeutic range?

Also plan on treating for 14 days and then transferring to observation tank for additional 14 days. Should I wait until the observation period to redose general cure and feed seachem focus binded general cure?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Hi all, I’ve done a lot of research on this forum including quarantine protocol and humble fish’s recommendations. Recently got a new clownfish 3 days ago and while waiting for Cupramine to arrive, I dosed general cure on Wednesday and the 2nd dose today. Instructions state to do a water change after 48 hrs. Question is, should I wait to start dosing copper after the water change to not run into having to redose copper to ensure therapeutic range?

Also plan on treating for 14 days and then transferring to observation tank for additional 14 days. Should I wait until the observation period to redose general cure and feed seachem focus binded general cure?

Do you know if the clownfish is captive raised or wild caught?

Clownfish are generally a bit less apt to develop fluke infestations than some other fish, so copper first to combat protozoan issues is generally advised. General Cure is praziquantel and metronidazole. The latter has little benefit. Prazi needs to be dosed multiple times (3+) in order to control egg laying flukes. The dose twice, 2 days apart instructions really only works for live bearing flukes, as any eggs will take 5 to 8 days to hatch, and by then, there won't be any prazi left to control the new flukes.

Cupramine is a ionic copper and is a bit harsher than the amine-chelated copper products like Coppersafe and Copper Power. I like to run Cupramine for 21 days (not 30 like coppersafe) and then move the fish to a new tank in order to reduce the chance of any ich tomonts lingering in the first tank that might reinfect the fish (the 30 days protocol with coppersafe handles that issue).

You could use the two week "observation period" to run a full course of prazi, OR you could skip that and just run a course of prazi if you see symptoms (flashing, rapid breathing).

Here is an article I posted on dosing prazi:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dosing-praziquantel-pzq.1105700/

 

[jsaldarr]

Hi all, I’ve done a lot of research on this forum including quarantine protocol and humble fish’s recommendations. Recently got a new clownfish 3 days ago and while waiting for Cupramine to arrive, I dosed general cure on Wednesday and the 2nd dose today. Instructions state to do a water change after 48 hrs. Question is, should I wait to start dosing copper after the water change to not run into having to redose copper to ensure therapeutic range?

Also plan on treating for 14 days and then transferring to observation tank for additional 14 days. Should I wait until the observation period to redose general cure and feed seachem focus binded general cure?

Do you know if the clownfish is captive raised or wild caught?

Clownfish are generally a bit less apt to develop fluke infestations than some other fish, so copper first to combat protozoan issues is generally advised. General Cure is praziquantel and metronidazole. The latter has little benefit. Prazi needs to be dosed multiple times (3+) in order to control egg laying flukes. The dose twice, 2 days apart instructions really only works for live bearing flukes, as any eggs will take 5 to 8 days to hatch, and by then, there won't be any prazi left to control the new flukes.

Cupramine is a ionic copper and is a bit harsher than the amine-chelated copper products like Coppersafe and Copper Power. I like to run Cupramine for 21 days (not 30 like coppersafe) and then move the fish to a new tank in order to reduce the chance of any ich tomonts lingering in the first tank that might reinfect the fish (the 30 days protocol with coppersafe handles that issue).

You could use the two week "observation period" to run a full course of prazi, OR you could skip that and just run a course of prazi if you see symptoms (flashing, rapid breathing).

Here is an article I posted on dosing prazi:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dosing-praziquantel-pzq.1105700/

Captive raised.
And ok I’ll just run copper for now and probably treat with prazi afterwards if symptomatic like you said.
So should I wait after the water change to start copper?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Captive raised.
And ok I’ll just run copper for now and probably treat with prazi afterwards if symptomatic like you said.
So should I wait after the water change to start copper?

This is the best and safest route to go

 

[jsaldarr]

Any need to feed them the GC binded with seachem focus either then or again only if symptomatic?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Captive raised.
And ok I’ll just run copper for now and probably treat with prazi afterwards if symptomatic like you said.
So should I wait after the water change to start copper?

Yes - water changes never hurt if done properly.....