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You can´t compare fresh water and salt water according to electric fields. It is possible do electrofishing in freshwater - but nearly impossible in saltwater

Sincerely Lasse
Thanks for the input! I wasn't aware of that 🤔
Although, the possibility of the burnt cable putting something in the water is still possible. It is really hard to get that stuff out the water even with several water changes it can linger. A high TDS is what pointed us to the conclusion. There was some burt insides of the pump we had in a about a 5000L system and it wiped just about anything out.
 

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A high TDS is what pointed us to the conclusion.
Yea - if you get out a lot of metal ions - TDS will rise. TDS is nothing else than a funny way to express conductivity. You can use TDS in freshwater but not in saltwater - its already full of ions. 35 PSU (at 25 degree C) = 1.0263 (as specific gravity) = 53mS/cm (as conductivity) = around 30 000 ppm (as TDS and depended on scale)

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between US and Sweden because of this was true the best weapon of mass destruction would be to just plug in a "hot wire" 240V AC somewhere along a coastal strip and everyone who came into contact with the seawater and ground all over the world would be killed by an electric shock.
That would be a great idea, but we already have lightning hitting the sea at 50,000,000 volts and unless you are very close to the lightning strike, you will be fine. Maybe even grow hair. 😃
 

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I’m pretty sure a dead short like that described would trip a breaker immediately. Breakers in the US are typically 15A but could also be 20A on some home circuits that may require it (air conditioning, electric ovens, etc).
Lasse, there are just too many numbers in that post for me to even begin to respond. 😯

Maybe, but you are not taking into consideration the volume of the ocean and the earth under it. . The resistance in the sea would be zero. Unless of course an electric eel crawls out of the Amazon and goes into the sea where it would short itself out. Or trip it's internal GFCI...I think. 😬

But it was more than 55 years since I learned ohms law in trade school. And I'm sure we didn't learn the resistance of sea water. If I did, I would be able to respond in a way that made more sense. 😃
I found another figure of 0.2 Ohms/m - it means that I do not really knows for an aquarium both i still doubt the example between US and Sweden because of this was true the best weapon of mass destruction would be to just plug in a "hot wire" 240V AC somewhere along a coastal strip and everyone who came into contact with the seawater and ground all over the world would be killed by an electric shock.

Sincerely Lasse
Well the ocean is by definition grounded. Our aquarium water sits in a glass insulator and needs to be grounded by some mechanism such as a titanium heater or other device. I still don’t understand why the breaker didn’t trip. I’m wondering if the power strip had a problem. Also thank goodness the OP wasn’t hurt. I tend to agree if the breaker didn’t trip that plastic toxins as well as possibly copper, lead etc may be to blame for the livestock loss
 
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It is possible although very unlikely that the burnt chord has put some nasty chemicals into the water. Although the live stock should indicate this. I speak from experience with a koi pond double wipe out from stray voltage (seized pond pump) and insides were burnt.
Literally all of my fish and inverts are fine, even the lettuce nudibranch. It's only a couple of LPS that haven't completely opened back up, or look weak, but only 1 is dead. All of my SPS are dead though.
 

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The damage is done
Whether it was the sand or electric
A gfi paired with a ground probe will protect you from the later
I am looking for this answer everywhere. I have a GFCI adapter and a Belkin surge protector. The GFCI adapter only has one outlet. Can I plug the grounding probe into the grounded Belkin surge protector? Also, am I causing a problem by having a surge protector plugged into the GFCI? How else would I safely plug in multiple pieces of equipment?
 

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I doubt that tiny amount of copper would do anything and if your circuit breaker didn't trip, I also doubt you introduced enough electric into the water. I don't know if you have a GFI but it wouldn't matter anyway.

(Master Electrician 50 years.)
Master electrician! I hope you can help and see this message. I have been having some equipment issues, first the ink Bird just died. I had a surge protector on a GFCI adapter. I changed both of those now. I have a different GFCI adapter and a broken surge protector. I am getting a grounding probe, but I can’t plug anything else into the GFCI adapter. In a perfect world, I would have an electrician come and do this but for the time being right now what can I do to be the safest for me and then for the fish?
 

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Master electrician! I hope you can help and see this message. I have been having some equipment issues, first the ink Bird just died. I had a surge protector on a GFCI adapter. I changed both of those now. I have a different GFCI adapter and a broken surge protector. I am getting a grounding probe, but I can’t plug anything else into the GFCI adapter. In a perfect world, I would have an electrician come and do this but for the time being right now what can I do to be the safest for me and then for the fish?
The second thing that happened I failed to mention in the original post, I was having a JEBAO pump have load of high voltage sensors probably for about two days before I got the new pump in and change that out. Ever since I changed out the new pump, the Belkin surge protector to the new GFCI adapter, I have not had any Issues, but I am concerned about stray voltage.
 

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I have been having some equipment issues, first the ink Bird just died.
I am old, so I have no idea what an Ink bird is 😎

I have a different GFCI adapter and a broken surge protector. I am getting a grounding probe, but I can’t plug anything else into the GFCI adapter.
Why are using a broken surge protector?

I am slightly confused. I personally don't think you need a surge protector unless your house regularly gets hit by lightning. I realize people use them but I feel they are not needed. Why can't you plug anything else into the GFI? You can plug as many things into one as you like.

A grounding probe is a good idea. I made mine from a stainless steel antenna for free.

I was having a JEBAO pump have load of high voltage sensors probably for about two days before I got the new pump in and change that out.
I'm not sure what this means either. 🙄

I have not had any Issues, but I am concerned about stray voltage.
Don't worry about stray voltage. All tanks have stray voltage and it doesn't do anything. "Line voltage" will kill you and your fish but that is always higher than about 108 volts and your circuit breaker and GFCI would both trip, especially if you add a ground probe.

All you need in this hobby is a GFCI and a grounding probe. Forget all the other stuff you read on fish forums as it is not needed.
 

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I will translate what Paul said…

Buy good receptacle strips, the kind that have real individual outlets in them, not the single piece molded plastic kind.

Don’t worry about them being “surge” rated.

Plug them into your GFCI. Plug everything into them. That way everything plugged in is protected by GFCI.
 

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Always buy ones that look like this:
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Or this
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Never buy ones that look like this

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Or this
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I will translate what Paul said…

Buy good receptacle strips, the kind that have real individual outlets in them, not the single piece molded plastic kind.

Don’t worry about them being “surge” rated.

Plug them into your GFCI. Plug everything into them. That way everything plugged in is protected by GFCI.
I thought thats what I said. 🙄
 

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