Elegance Coral Syndrome?

[TanknTang]

I got this elegance delivered yesterday night, accumulated for over an hour, did a dipX and then rinsed with saltwater. When inspecting him in the bag before opening he had like a yellow white mucus by his mouth. Assumed it was just stress from shipping. Put him into the tank around 10pm, and this photo was around 11am. His edges are like boney. And some of his polyps were like blowing away hanging on by a thread. The front part atleast is showing colors but I am afraid for the worse. Im about to go downstairs and check on him again but wanted to see if this looks just like ECS? This is my first elegance coral the guy said they are super easy… well maybe not for me. I probably caused this from the dipx. sigh.. the fangia I got looks to be okay still. I do have him in a cove sorta, and I did put another live rock infront of him to the left in case the bounce from the end of the tank is still too much flow..

 

[KrisReef]

Almost looks like brown jelly disease.

You said that it looked like yellow-white slime from the mouth, in the shipping bag.

Can you post a image captured in white-only (Racist!) light for folks to see the coral without the blue distraction.

If that area in the center back of the picture is covered in a brown mucus- then it’s almost certainly BJD, but I can’t tell from the pictures provided.

 

[TanknTang]

Almost looks like brown jelly disease.

You said that it looked like yellow-white slime from the mouth, in the shipping bag.

Can you post a image captured in white-only (Racist!) light for folks to see the coral without the blue distraction.

If that area in the center back of the picture is covered in a brown mucus- then it’s almost certainly BJD, but I can’t tell from the pictures provided.

I just took him out the tank, all his polyps basically blew out. He smells alittle bad too, and its basically all skeleton besides the front piece. Covered in cope pods now. I think I am most annoyed that I spent $300 on it and since I missed the two hours DOA limit I cant get a refund. It was so beautiful too luckily fangia is perking up… but this one I was so excited for.

 

[EnterName]

A proper diagnosis from the symptoms alone isn't possible

ECS/ECD isn't too well understood. The initial report from Eric Borneman in 2004 and its follow up in 2008 are the only more or less scientific sources I found on the disease. The pathogen is assumed to be a gram-negative bacterium but this hasn't been proven yet as no tests were performed to show that the isolated microbe causes the disease and the bacterium hasn't been properly identified either.

Almost looks like brown jelly disease.

Tissue loss will always look like this because the symptoms are caused or amplified by secondary pathogens (Scuticociliatia ciliates) that will always take over to eat Zooxanthellae and associated bacteria and possibly dying tissue. They are always present in our tanks so it all just looks the same .

 

[TanknTang]

Thanks guys appreciate it, poor baby.. I shouldve never got her. Wouldve lived another day :/

 

[EnterName]

Thanks guys appreciate it, poor baby.. I shouldve never got her. Wouldve lived another day :/

Who knows. A healthy coral should have survived the shipping and a coral dip. Assuming your parameters aren't out of the ordinary there is no reason for it to die within 24h.
I could imagine it wasn't really healthy before being shipped.

 

[Uncle99]

From bag to tank, if it don’t last a day, that’s not fair.
Should have be credited IMM, or at least, replaced.

 

[TanknTang]

Who knows. A healthy coral should have survived the shipping and a coral dip. Assuming your parameters aren't out of the ordinary there is no reason for it to die within 24h.
I could imagine it wasn't really healthy before being shipped.

Thanks man, my tank has been so stable these past 4 months, was so proud of myself. This was my gift to say good job lol.. nothing like a reality check. I shouldve instead bought a pH meter that wouldve been around the same price as this coral to do some nerdy chemistry that Randy posts. You live and you learn..

 

[TanknTang]

From bag to tank, if it don’t last a day, that’s not fair.
Should have be credited IMM, or at least, replaced.

Is it worth mentioning? It said zero exceptions.. plus he shipped it and we live in the same state.

 

[KrisReef]

Agree, my observation was not the same as a proper lab diagnosis to isolate the pathogens responsible for the sudden wasting and death of this LPs coral.

My observation was made to possibly assist a fellow hobbyist with hobby- hardened information that might help them to treat the problem with the hope that the $300.00 coral might have survived if the treatment (if they chose to do one) was administered in time.

Brown Jelly Disease (which is a symptomatic diagnosis) is known to spread very rapidly and to kill a single polyp in a few hours once the jelly is visible. The jelly spreads from polyp to polyp, and is known to spread to other LPS corals in the same tank, which means that full tank infections can easily kill all the LPS in a system over the course of the infection.

Waiting to treat tanks that have been exposed is a high risk behavior, but since the treatment involves Ciprofloxacin (antibiotic) it is a controversial topic that I frequently don’t comment upon.

I don’t hesitate much when I see a possible BJD infection image. I have Ciprofloxacin in my reefs medicine cabinet because one dose is usually enough to arrest the infection and prevent the loss of additional LPS. I hope this explains my reaction to the first unclear but disturbing first batch of images. The latter posted image was what I feared was coming, but hoped I wasn’t seeing properly.

 

[Uncle99]

Is it worth mentioning? It said zero exceptions.. plus he shipped it and we live in the same state.

Absolutely.
If it smelled in the bag, that’s shipping issue….likely heat.
It needs to survive at least at minimum 24hrs AFTER you get it, or the arrive alive policy is garbage and is not fairly treating you…it’s $300.
Should be replaced!

 

[TanknTang]

Absolutely.
If it smelled in the bag, that’s shipping issue….likely heat.
It needs to survive at least at minimum 24hrs AFTER you get it, or the arrive alive policy is garbage and is not fairly treating you…it’s $300.
Should be replaced!

I just sent him a text, we will see what comes of it.. probably just me buying more lol. dang that just sucks. That was the most I ever spent too. Now I am even more afraid to get into torches etc.

 

[TanknTang]

Agree, my observation was not the same as a proper lab diagnosis to isolate the pathogens responsible for the sudden wasting and death of this LPs coral.

My observation was made to possibly assist a fellow hobbyist with hobby- hardened information that might help them to treat the problem with the hope that the $300.00 coral might have survived if the treatment (if they chose to do one) was administered in time.

Brown Jelly Disease (which is a symptomatic diagnosis) is known to spread very rapidly and to kill a single polyp in a few hours once the jelly is visible. The jelly spreads from polyp to polyp, and is known to spread to other LPS corals in the same tank, which means that full tank infections can easily kill all the LPS in a system over the course of the infection.

Waiting to treat tanks that have been exposed is a high risk behavior, but since the treatment involves Ciprofloxacin (antibiotic) it is a controversial topic that I frequently don’t comment upon.

I don’t hesitate much when I see a possible BJD infection image. I have Ciprofloxacin in my reefs medicine cabinet because one dose is usually enough to arrest the infection and prevent the loss of additional LPS. I hope this explains my reaction to the first unclear but disturbing first batch of images. The latter posted image was what I feared was coming, but hoped I wasn’t seeing properly.

Would I be able to message you or find out more about your thoughts on treatment? Since he was in the tank when I picked him up to pull from the tank, the wave maker blew his polyps all over. Now I am kinda worried, cause thankfully you did say something cause I am still a rookie to corals learning as I go. This is my first potential run in with the brown jelly disease and I had no clue or any clue about it being contagious. And with the local fish store already closed, until Monday. Might be even worse…?!

 

[mcarroll]

I got this elegance delivered yesterday night, accumulated for over an hour, did a dipX and then rinsed with saltwater.

This sounds excessive.

When inspecting him in the bag before opening he had like a yellow white mucus by his mouth. Assumed it was just stress from shipping.

Possible.

Put him into the tank around 10pm, and this photo was around 11am. His edges are like boney. And some of his polyps were like blowing away hanging on by a thread. The front part atleast is showing colors but I am afraid for the worse. Im about to go downstairs and check on him again but wanted to see if this looks just like ECS? This is my first elegance coral the guy said they are super easy… well maybe not for me. I probably caused this from the dipx. sigh.. the fangia I got looks to be okay still. I do have him in a cove sorta, and I did put another live rock infront of him to the left in case the bounce from the end of the tank is still too much flow..

This is where you need to tell us more about your tank – otherwise you have people speculating answers when they don't have basic data.

Please post whatever you test your water for, including no3, po4, temp., and s.g. Everythinng.

A full tank pic that shows your flow sources would also help.

The initial report from Eric Borneman in 2004 and its follow up in 2008 are the only more or less scientific sources I found on the disease.

Do those links actually work for you? To me that website hasn't worked in years I think. (I get no response.)

Thanks man, my tank has been so stable these past 4 months, was so proud of myself. This was my gift to say good job lol.. nothing like a reality check. I shouldve instead bought a pH meter that wouldve been around the same price as this coral to do some nerdy chemistry that Randy posts. You live and you learn..

IMO the tank is probably too young for this...similar to anemones, this would be a coral to wait until the tank has actually matured.

I'm with you on the pH meter.

Would I be able to message you or find out more about your thoughts on treatment? Since he was in the tank when I picked him up to pull from the tank, the wave maker blew his polyps all over. Now I am kinda worried, cause thankfully you did say something cause I am still a rookie to corals learning as I go. This is my first potential run in with the brown jelly disease and I had no clue or any clue about it being contagious. And with the local fish store already closed, until Monday. Might be even worse…?!

It's not a disease, it's just RTN on a large fleshy coral. If you're worried, do a regular cleaning on your tank and run a little activated carbon....but don't panic.

Just come through with the data. :)

 

[EnterName]

Do those links actually work for you? To me that website hasn't worked in years I think. (I get no response.)

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't share them. (Sorry for the overexposed image, Screenshots on a HDR screen cause this)

It's not a disease, [...]

Here we go again...

 

[KrisReef]

This sounds excessive.

Possible.


This is where you need to tell us more about your tank – otherwise you have people speculating answers when they don't have basic data.

Please post whatever you test your water for, including no3, po4, temp., and s.g. Everythinng.

A full tank pic that shows your flow sources would also help.


Do those links actually work for you? To me that website hasn't worked in years I think. (I get no response.)


IMO the tank is probably too young for this...similar to anemones, this would be a coral to wait until the tank has actually matured.

I'm with you on the pH meter.


It's not a disease, it's just RTN on a large fleshy coral. If you're worried, do a regular cleaning on your tank and run a little activated carbon....but don't panic.

Just come through with the data. :)

I’m mostly in alignment with this response, but I do think you might benefit from a little reading of the first few posts here-

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/e...s-for-brown-jelly-disease.782438/post-8297818

We don’t know what you have to protect, if anything in your newer tank . Never have seen BJD on a plate coral I, but knowledge is very useful in this hobby.

I am certain I don’t have nearly enough myself.

 

[mcarroll]

Yes, otherwise I wouldn't share them. (Sorry for the overexposed image, Screenshots on a HDR screen cause this)

Interesting...do you get https or http connection and any warnings when you load?

I literally have to go to archive.org if I wanna read anything from reefkeeping.com....I wonder WTFusiliers is going on...is it jsut Geermany that can see it? ...just me that can't? Inquiring minds...

I’m mostly in alignment with this response, but I do think you might benefit from a little reading of the first few posts here-

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/e...s-for-brown-jelly-disease.782438/post-8297818

We don’t know what you have to protect, if anything in your newer tank . Never have seen BJD on a plate coral I, but knowledge is very useful in this hobby.

I am certain I don’t have nearly enough myself.

If you are curious, these are my posts in that thread so far:
https://www.reef2reef.com/search/9039871/?t=post&c[thread]=782438&c[users]=mcarroll&o=relevance

 

[EnterName]

Interesting...do you get https or http connection and any warnings when you load?

It's slow and sometimes fails to load HTTP "http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-01/eb/index.php" seems to be working better than HTTPS "https://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-01/eb/index.php".

 

[mcarroll]

It's slow and sometimes fails to load HTTP "http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-01/eb/index.php" seems to be working better than HTTPS "https://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-01/eb/index.php".

Interesting.

Neither responds IME, even after waiving security alerts....eiher way it just sits stuck somewhere in the connection stream.

Sad because reefkeeping.com and advancedaquarist.com were two of the very best resources we've had in the hobby since the lamentable downfall of books and magazines. I'm glad reefs.com took over Advanced Aquarist, but its indexing is still borked but will hopefully improve. When reefkeeping.com stopped responding normally a few years back I got a hollow feeling in my belly that hasn't left. Glad that Randy has at least ported many of his articles to R2R. (And glad for the Wayback Machine.

 

[TanknTang]

This sounds excessive.

Possible.


This is where you need to tell us more about your tank – otherwise you have people speculating answers when they don't have basic data.

Please post whatever you test your water for, including no3, po4, temp., and s.g. Everythinng.

A full tank pic that shows your flow sources would also help.


Do those links actually work for you? To me that website hasn't worked in years I think. (I get no response.)


IMO the tank is probably too young for this...similar to anemones, this would be a coral to wait until the tank has actually matured.

I'm with you on the pH meter.


It's not a disease, it's just RTN on a large fleshy coral. If you're worried, do a regular cleaning on your tank and run a little activated carbon....but don't panic.

Just come through with the data. :)

So my current tank is 3 years old with my live rock from my old setups being 9 years old. I only have a few duncans, zoa garden, 2 rfa, acan, some gsp, new fungia plate (that survived). I run carbon, mechanical filters, and protein skimmer. 125G 6ft long tank.

Perimeters tested today are
Salinity 1.026
Keept temps around 77-79F inkbird
pH 8
8.4dkH
0.05p04
1250mg
420cal
No amminia
<10ppm n03 (expired reagent)

And irionically enough I ordered a ICP test last week for kicks and gigs that I’ma be doing soon for the other trace elements.