Elimi-NP Automated Dosing

[Luke Schnabel]

I want to try out Elimi-NP but wondering if anyone is using an automatic doser for the daily dosing.

Can Elimi-NO be diluted with RODI water to mix a months worth into one gallon and dosed accordingly or will the solution become a nasty mess after sitting out for weeks?

I’ve always made my own mix of NoPoX and it was stable for months. Just making sure Elimi-NP would be as well.

 

[SashimiTurtle]

Following for the same question but for Bacto Balance... I'm planning on putting it on a doser soon, altho I'm not considering diluting it.

 

[Pod_01]

Can Elimi-NO be diluted with RODI water to mix a months worth into one gallon and dosed accordingly or will the solution become a nasty mess after sitting out for weeks?

I believe you are correct and it will turn into some scientific experiment.

But perhaps @Hans-Werner can provide extra guidance if the Elimi-NP can be diluted.

 

[Hans-Werner]

I believe you are correct and it will turn into some scientific experiment.

But perhaps @Hans-Werner can provide extra guidance if the Elimi-NP can be diluted.

Elimi-NP can be diluted with All-For-Reef or Carbo-Calcium.

 

[Luke Schnabel]

Elimi-NP can be diluted with All-For-Reef or Carbo-Calcium.

I’m looking to only dilute with RODI water. I have a four part dosing for all my other elements and just need to know if it will go rancid after a month of sitting out in solution at room temp.

Mix will more or less be 60 ml per 1 gallon RODI to be dosed over 30 days.

 

[Hans-Werner]

I’m looking to only dilute with RODI water. I have a four part dosing for all my other elements and just need to know if it will go rancid after a month of sitting out in solution at room temp.

Mix will more or less be 60 ml per 1 gallon RODI to be dosed over 30 days.

The problem is, it contains organic carbon, of course. If you dilute organic carbon compounds with water they may get prone to microbial degradation since this exactly what they are meant to do after dosing inside the tank. This is the problem when diluting organic carbon products with RODI water.

 

[Koty]

I just started to dose Elimi NP 1.5 ml every 6 hours to my ~450-liter tank. Before, I used to add 4 mls in the morning. Although there is no control over this "experiment," Hanna Nitrate now reads 0. I have yet to see that it is a trend, not a temporal drop. Phosphates, however, are always 0.22-0.1. So now I added another pump that adds the TM amino acids. What's key is that corals are very happy.

 

[Luisn17]

I want to try out Elimi-NP but wondering if anyone is using an automatic doser for the daily dosing.

Can Elimi-NO be diluted with RODI water to mix a months worth into one gallon and dosed accordingly or will the solution become a nasty mess after sitting out for weeks?

I’ve always made my own mix of NoPoX and it was stable for months. Just making sure Elimi-NP would be as well.

I do use a versa and have been dosing for months now. Have been slowly increasing to my current dose of 9ml with no issues. I dose the 9ml in 5 mins, within 15 mins of my lights starting to turn on. It has not clogged or had any issues. Just wish they sold bigger bottles.

 

[Hans-Werner]

I do use a versa and have been dosing for months now. Have been slowly increasing to my current dose of 9ml with no issues. I dose the 9ml in 5 mins, within 15 mins of my lights starting to turn on. It has not clogged or had any issues. Just wish they sold bigger bottles.

A 5 liter canister Elimi-NP is available but must most likely be ordered.

 

[Luisn17]

A 5 liter canister Elimi-NP is available but must most likely be ordered.

Hello,

is this available in the US? Even though it sounds crazy I bet it cheaper in the long run. Or maybe Elimi-np should be sold in the 1L bottles like bacto-balance. At times is hard to find a bottle between BRS and petco. I stock up but have ran out regardless. I have not been able to move away from elimi np to bacto balance but keeps my nutrients in check.

 

[lesismore]

A 5 liter canister Elimi-NP is available but must most likely be ordered.

Hi. Do you know where the larger bottles of elimi-np are currently available for purchase such as the 5 liter size you mentioned? I live in the US and haven’t seen anything larger than the relatively small 250ml bottle with pump.

Is this option also available for bacteria balance? My system is 350 total gallons so I need larger doses. Thank you very much for your help!!

 

[Luisn17]

Hi. Do you know where the larger bottles of elimi-np are currently available for purchase such as the 5 liter size you mentioned? I live in the US and haven’t seen anything larger than the relatively small 250ml bottle with pump.

Is this option also available for bacteria balance? My system is 350 total gallons so I need larger doses. Thank you very much for your help!!

Hey,

I know this message was not directed at me but do look into vodka dosing. I was a big fan of Elimi np but had inconsistent results, was hard to find at times, cost more than vodka. Since I switched to vodka, my nitrate is set at 14-15 with 15ml dosing on my waterbox 330.7 which is probably around 280 total gallons in volume. I dose 2-3 ml daily in the middle of my reefmat to control phosphate. They stay around 0.5-0.1 which is my target. I had no issues with my tangs or corals.

 

[lesismore]

Hey,

I know this message was not directed at me but do look into vodka dosing. I was a big fan of Elimi np but had inconsistent results, was hard to find at times, cost more than vodka. Since I switched to vodka, my nitrate is set at 14-15 with 15ml dosing on my waterbox 330.7 which is probably around 280 total gallons in volume. I dose 2-3 ml daily in the middle of my reefmat to control phosphate. They stay around 0.5-0.1 which is my target. I had no issues with my tangs or corals.

Thanks for sharing. In some ways it’s always fun trying new things. I’m newer to the elimi product, and I have a good bit to use up so I’ll see how it goes. If it’s not as effective as I hoped for, I just may be on the vodka path too.

 

[lesismore]

Hey,

I know this message was not directed at me but do look into vodka dosing. I was a big fan of Elimi np but had inconsistent results, was hard to find at times, cost more than vodka. Since I switched to vodka, my nitrate is set at 14-15 with 15ml dosing on my waterbox 330.7 which is probably around 280 total gallons in volume. I dose 2-3 ml daily in the middle of my reefmat to control phosphate. They stay around 0.5-0.1 which is my target. I had no issues with my tangs or corals.

Can I please ask, did you find any difference in terms of slime in sump or on equipment and ph when comparing vodka with elimi-np? I’m only 2 weeks in and slowly starting to see nitrate come down but not much change in phosphate. I also had some substantial cyano in this time, but I cannot say whether that’s related to elimi.

I’m also curious if you found you needed roughly the same amount of one vs the other to dose effectively as cost really is a factor. Had Hans told us where to obtain the 5 liter option, it would surely have helped.

Thank you very much for your help.

 

[Luisn17]

Hey,

I know this message was not directed at me but do look into vodka dosing. I was a big fan of Elimi np but had inconsistent results, was hard to find at times, cost more than vodka. Since I switched to vodka, my nitrate is set at 14-15 with 15ml dosing on my waterbox 330.7 which is probably around 280 total gallons in volume. I dose 2-3 ml daily in the middle of my reefmat to control phosphate. They stay around 0.5-0.1 which is my target. I had no issues with my tangs or corals.

Can I please ask, did you find any difference in terms of slime in sump or on equipment and ph when comparing vodka with elimi-np? I’m only 2 weeks in and slowly starting to see nitrate come down but not much change in phosphate. I also had some substantial cyano in this time, but I cannot say whether that’s related to elimi.

I’m also curious if you found you needed roughly the same amount of one vs the other to dose effectively as cost really is a factor. Had Hans told us where to obtain the 5 liter option, it would surely have helped.

Thank you very much for your help.

Hey,

I did have slime growth in my sump which happens with carbon dosing vodka or vinegar at the start. The slime is the tank getting used to the excess bacteria growth. I took care of it by pulling it out and added a flow pump in my skimmer section. You can also just wait it out or lower the dosage and increase it in a week or so. I pushed thru since I wanted to take care of my nitrates. I don’t recall seeing a difference between the two when it comes to ph. I have low ph all the time, my high is 7.9ish and at night is around 7.8.

I was dosing about 12-15ml of elimi-np. I even used bacto-balance with microbacter7 dosed daily. That combination works but it becomes expensive quickly. But because they sell the big bottles it was attractive.

That also happened to me, my nitrates were in the high 30s when I started. They started to come down but the phosphate had zero change. This is why I dose phosphate-e from Brightwell aquatics in between my Reefmat. I dose 1-2ml a day now to keep them around 0.10. I test weekly and Saturday’s reading was 0.08. I did not see any cyano but some people do. Have you seen the thread from the late Miami reef? It has wealth of information in it and even the tables he made to know starting and maintenance dosages. All I know about vodka dosing I learned it from that thread.

My opinion, I think Tropic Marin is geared more to small and medium sized tanks. For example, all for reef, I dose 45ml daily and I think moving to kalk makes more sense. Cheaper and supposedly it helps with phosphates. With the Black Friday sales, I ordered the avast marine kalk stirrer.

Here is the thread I mentioned earlier. If you do use phosphatE, be careful with it. Dose it between the roller mat if you have one or a really fine filer sock. Let me know if you have any other questions.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/new-vodka-and-vinegar-dosing-charts.1024056/

 

[lesismore]

Hey,

I did have slime growth in my sump which happens with carbon dosing vodka or vinegar at the start. The slime is the tank getting used to the excess bacteria growth. I took care of it by pulling it out and added a flow pump in my skimmer section. You can also just wait it out or lower the dosage and increase it in a week or so. I pushed thru since I wanted to take care of my nitrates. I don’t recall seeing a difference between the two when it comes to ph. I have low ph all the time, my high is 7.9ish and at night is around 7.8.

I was dosing about 12-15ml of elimi-np. I even used bacto-balance with microbacter7 dosed daily. That combination works but it becomes expensive quickly. But because they sell the big bottles it was attractive.

That also happened to me, my nitrates were in the high 30s when I started. They started to come down but the phosphate had zero change. This is why I dose phosphate-e from Brightwell aquatics in between my Reefmat. I dose 1-2ml a day now to keep them around 0.10. I test weekly and Saturday’s reading was 0.08. I did not see any cyano but some people do. Have you seen the thread from the late Miami reef? It has wealth of information in it and even the tables he made to know starting and maintenance dosages. All I know about vodka dosing I learned it from that thread.

My opinion, I think Tropic Marin is geared more to small and medium sized tanks. For example, all for reef, I dose 45ml daily and I think moving to kalk makes more sense. Cheaper and supposedly it helps with phosphates. With the Black Friday sales, I ordered the avast marine kalk stirrer.

Here is the thread I mentioned earlier. If you do use phosphatE, be careful with it. Dose it between the roller mat if you have one or a really fine filer sock. Let me know if you have any other questions.

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/new-vodka-and-vinegar-dosing-charts.1024056/

This is great to hear. It sounds like you found a really good balance for keeping good levels. I will check out those links and will go slow for the time being. I noticed Randy no longer carbon doses it seems. If I was more aggressive with water changes, I probably could avoid it too. I’m hoping the increased flow and wet skim I recently changed will help lower nutrients a bit as will as slightly smaller feeding sizes.

I’m a bit curious about ESV’s transition elements plus, but few seem to have tried it.