Experience Doesn't = Facts

[bct15]

Problem with the internet is most people think they can hide behind a user name. They think they can say what they want or treat people anyway they want or what ever because no one knows who they are and there are no consequences. They would never do this stuff in real life or someone would kick their butt.. I read allot of forums and the reef hobby forums are tame by comparison to allot of others.

The good ole think I'm anonymous over the Internet blindness, it's funny how many people get keyboard courage. You are everything but anonymous on the Internet, it is easier to get someone's personal information off the web than anywhere else...doxing has actual become so popular their is a Facebook group dedicated to it, anonymous.

 

[Reef Pets]

I wise man once told me, "It's good to have people around that know everything".

That's why I'm here! :rofl:

 

[Eienna]

Skinz's last comment reminded me of a really funny FB image... lemme see if I can find it to share.

 

[Pappy]

One of the recent conversation topic's at work was about how desensitized our culture has become due to texting and communication through the internet. It was said in the conversation that the generation of children in the US and all over the world no longer know how to have a face to face conversation.

I personally HATE texting because there is little to no legitimate feeling that is portrayed through a text. I also think even sitting at a computer and typing up a response that show's true emotion is hard to do for a lot of the people on the forums.

Even I've had this problem in the past and I'm sure I'll still have this problem in the future.... I once was helping a guy diagnose his problems with a clam and I suggested to him that it may be one of his angel fish nipping on it. This was back when I was active on another forum and he asked for advice there. After I suggested that it may be his angel, he posted in his local forum on another site how he'd like to reach through the internet and strangle some people because his angel fish would never pick on a clam... Little did he know that his local forum is actually my local forum as well and I saw the post. Once I said to him hey, I'm right here if you want to talk it over in person it can be arranged.... He then changed his tune, and took my advice to relocate the clam to another tank. The clam was open in an hours time and reacting regularly... A few days later he publicly apologized to me and thanked me for the help saving his clam.

The moral of the story, don't always assume the person behind the next computer screen is trying to butt heads with you. Please read into it a little bit and if you think this is the case then sometimes it's best to take the high road, be the bigger person, and not say anything back at all....

Totally agree hence all these school shootings. None of these little kids know how to express themselves anymore.

As far as the clam angel thing...

http://themetapicture.com/meaning-of-*******/

 

[PmCarbrey]

I keep butting heads with people who have had certain experiences and based upon those experiences they draw conclusions they then believe to be facts. Specifically they claim carpets will always consume your fish. Clown fish can't be kept more than two in a tank. They immediately discount my own experience. I'm ALWAYS careful to say "in my experience" and "others have had very different experiences". Yet they continue to fight claiming opinions to be facts. I'm not sure why but it angers me greatly. People who believe their own experience dictates facts... it's ego in all its glory. The arrogance involved in claiming your way is the best way is just irritating in the extreme. In this hobby there a million paths to the same place. Let others find their way and share our experiences but don't go around spouting opinions disguised as facts.

Unfortunately it's like that for everything with some people.
"well i've had fords all my life and never had one break down so they must be better than chevy"
"I kept a tang in a 20L, so they must be okay in a tank that size"

people forget in this hobby that surviving is VERY different from thriving! you should strive to have everything you own be at the best health possible, not to scrape by with whatever the minimum is.

 

[NanaReefer]

I've been in this hobby 30+ years and I'm still learning. I've tried almost everything under the sun and not suppose to work and sometimes they've worked for me. What I do know is some hobbyist spend way too much time on the forum repeating what they heard and posting about it like it's fact. I remember several situations at least 7 - 10 years ago on another major forum with initials RC and people were disputing skimmer performance and adjustments to get the best performance. Some of these posters had thousands of post and giving out so much advice that they were invited to become TeamRC moderators. LoL What's funny is that their experience was 2 or 3 skimmers since they got into the hobby and now they are experts. I never argue or even post when it comes to those situation, but what ended up happening was RC members referred all the people with skimmer problems to me and why? Because I've work with at least 50 different skimmers at that point in my life and helping startup skimmer company fine tune their product by asking me to test for them before they are release. I find it a total waste of time to get into these head butts with people who don't know what they're talking about. I remember specially 2 or 3 hobbyist coming to me for advice and these same TeamRC experts told them to do the opposite of what they needed to do and the problem kept getting worst on their tanks. Like I said in my first statement, I'm still learning after 30+ years and some things work and some things don't and I've made things work that wasn't suppose to. It doesn't mean anything... LoL The title of this thread is what caught my attention... it's true. But the content of this thread wasn't necessary after it turn to butting heads.

PM sent :)

 

[Eienna]

My post goed poof?

 

[ritter6788]

My post goed poof?

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/announcements/71855-profanity-vulgarity-masked-vulgarity.html

 

[Eienna]

https://www.reef2reef.com/forums/announcements/71855-profanity-vulgarity-masked-vulgarity.html

Oops!! I'm sorry!!

 

[shred5]

"I kept a tang in a 20L, so they must be okay in a tank that size"

people forget in this hobby that surviving is VERY different from thriving! you should strive to have everything you own be at the best health possible, not to scrape by with whatever the minimum is.

Right on.. . What people also don't realize in this hobby is success is measured in years not months.. something can survive on partial nutrition for a year or more while slowly starving to death.

 

[TheSaint216]

I read part of this thread on facebook and had to comment. This hobby kind of parallels my job in the Chemistry aspect. I make steel for a living. I've learned from people who have been making steel for 40 years. The comments here remind me of the guys who walk around after doing it forever who think everything they say is bible and no one else should be allowed to have an opinion on how to do things or what worked for them. Making a ladle of steel is like having a reef tank in that every single one is different. What works for one wont work for the other. The thing I like the most about this hobby is that you can talk to 10 people, get 10 different answers and it makes you want to try them all. People gotta get off the Soap Box and listen to everyone, the guy that say's he knows and has seen it all is usually the guy that stops learning and gets left behind.

 

[OrionN]

It's Friday. Pass me that Crown 7 bottle. Triple shot for me and the rest for my tanks.

 

[BBoley24]

I also got here from Facebook. Way to go R2R! I like to see you keeping up with the social media.

I've been in it for over 10 years now. It's funny because I find myself believing something to be true even if i've never tried it! Dosing, overrated powerheads etc.

I am not trying to get on a soap box here but, I can't understand how getting upset over some words on a forum can get under your skin. I was starting to get frustrated with a bowser/CAR thread and so I stopped posting in it. It really is that simple.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you Liquid360? (Not an insult) I am 28.

 

[Eienna]

I read part of this thread on facebook and had to comment. This hobby kind of parallels my job in the Chemistry aspect. I make steel for a living. I've learned from people who have been making steel for 40 years. The comments here remind me of the guys who walk around after doing it forever who think everything they say is bible and no one else should be allowed to have an opinion on how to do things or what worked for them. Making a ladle of steel is like having a reef tank in that every single one is different. What works for one wont work for the other. The thing I like the most about this hobby is that you can talk to 10 people, get 10 different answers and it makes you want to try them all. People gotta get off the Soap Box and listen to everyone, the guy that say's he knows and has seen it all is usually the guy that stops learning and gets left behind.

You kind of develop a feel for when you need to break the established "rules" and try something new.

The main thing, I agree, is to never stop learning.

 

[jdpiii3]

When I was planning out my natural sunlit reef you would not believe how many people told me I wouldn't be able to grow coral and my algae would be out of control... Well :tongue:

 

[Eienna]

When I was planning out my natural sunlit reef you would not believe how many people told me I wouldn't be able to grow coral and my algae would be out of control... Well :tongue:

I saw a YouTube video of an awesome reef lit by natural sun <3 Any photos/vids of yours?

 

[jdpiii3]

I saw a YouTube video of an awesome reef lit by natural sun <3 Any photos/vids of yours?

Yes I have many videos, my build threads are in my signature just click.

 

[cparka23]

R2R is friendly enough where most people don't hold anything against you as long as the discussion stays civil.

With that in mind, people have a right to disagree with you. If they explain their side, it's a chance to look into it further. Google the subject and see if their POV is supported by some facts. If you give people attitude or flame in response, of course you've taken the fun out of the discussion and killed the thread.

If you're still hanging around here, there are plenty of people with good reputations who post sound advice. (Yes, there is also some misinformation. We're human, after all.)

If you've left R2R, it's not because the forum didn't give you a chance to speak your mind. From what I've seen, perhaps it's that you dismissed it whenever others spoke theirs. I'm sorry that you felt the need to leave.

 

[Reef Pets]

When I was planning out my natural sunlit reef you would not believe how many people told me I wouldn't be able to grow coral and my algae would be out of control... Well :tongue:

Great example. I have heard several people say the same thing about natural sunlight tanks. I followed your build the entire time and saw your update a couple weeks or so back and its obvious that you were very successful with your natural sunlight reef. Great job!!

 

[OrionN]

Guys and Gals,
Try not to judge when you only listen to one side of the story please.
I am not sure how old Liquid360 is but he mention something like I being up there in age, thus like the young, tend "to think in black and white". He is implying that he, being a mature youth, is nimble in mind and much more flexible.

I am not sure where this Facebook is, since I am not a member of that group, I cannot defend myself. Being nimble in mind, Liquid360 when repeat things, it tends to get a little away from the truth of what was said. If you are going to comment on this, listen to both sides of the argument. Look at the threads involved, or at least look at the first few pages of this thread. Then shoot away.