Fish died one day into tank cycle

[FishLvR]

I was going to jump all over you guys for feeding an obvious troll, but then checked OP's history on the site. Which brought me to another thought. Maybe sometimes, this hobby is not for everyone. I could even be one of those people considering my failures. At what point do you just say, well I tried, then get a hamster or something?

OP your LFS is horrid. Get a new one. Stay here and you will get conflicting but helpful advice. Also patience is a virtue that many strive for, but often fail.

sorry
but thats horrible advice

you learn from your mistakes, u dont quit right after. I got last in my tournament on Sunday. which kills me. I know what I did wrong, I got advice, and now I am working exclusively on fixing those mistakes, I didnt stop, I didnt switch sports or disciplines. I stayed, cause I learn from my mistakes

op should learn too.

Oh I wasn't giving advice. Other than OP's local fish store is horrible. Learning from mistakes is fine and all but avoidable today unless you live in a country with little to no resources. With live animals one should have compassion to want to keep them alive and happy. To treat them as a a learnabke mistake that ends in death is just icky. Me thinks you are more upset at my approach than what I actually wrote. That maybe some people are not cut out for a particular hobby especially one that may end in creature's deaths. Even if it's just a fish. You know?

 

[stE26wy14]

Oh I wasn't giving advice. Other than OP's local fish store is horrible. Learning from mistakes is fine and all but avoidable today unless you live in a country with little to no resources. With live animals one should have compassion to want to keep them alive and happy. To treat them as a a learnabke mistake that ends in death is just icky. Me thinks you are more upset at my approach than what I actually wrote. That maybe some people are not cut out for a particular hobby especially one that may end in creature's deaths. Even if it's just a fish. You know?

that is a mistake, and its a learnable one too. killing coral is on the same wavelength as killing fish, both are animals

one is more sentient than the other.

many of us have killed a lot of fish, its part of the hobby. It's sad, but it's a fact. I myself have killed more than 5-10. and im not happy about it and it's horrible and sad. But ive learnt from my mistakes. and tbh, it's better that those fish went(not in the way that good! they died!!, but in the way of: ) they should have never been there in the first place. if he killed a looottt more fish, and this wasn't his first time making this mistake, but like his 5th, then okay, maybe try out something new. but everyone has something to learn from something, and thats how we thrive

now tell us your mistakes from your tank! maybe you dont deserve to be in this hobby

^that probably got u mad. welp, thats the same way the guy felt. dont go around saying those things please, its not okay, and not respectful

 

[FishLvR]

now tell us your mistakes from your tank! maybe you dont deserve to be in this hobby

Go back to my original post and read it again. I think I will name my hamster Muffins.

 

[stE26wy14]

Go back to my original post and read it again. I think I will name my hamster Muffins.

I did
I dont even know what ur trying to argue anymore

 

[jabberwock]

sorry
but thats horrible advice

you learn from your mistakes, u dont quit right after. I got last in my tournament on Sunday. which kills me. I know what I did wrong, I got advice, and now I am working exclusively on fixing those mistakes, I didnt stop, I didnt switch sports or disciplines. I stayed, cause I learn from my mistakes

op should learn too.

Was it a fencing tournament Stewy?

 

[Hakon]

IMHO etiquette might be the biggest problem in this whole thread, not to get on anyone but it feels like the thing that most got to @Mbernal was not what anyone's advice was but the way he was being talked to, which is likely made worse by how text makes everything feel more blunt if the writer doesn't have a flare for prose.

I think telling someone they're being cruel to their animals when they're obviously pretty broken up and that all the things that worked for them before are stupid is likely the worst way you could possibly try to get them to listen to your advice.

As to cycling with fish in, if you dose high with things like turbo start it shouldn't hurt them, though you want to watch the levels and do big water changes to keep levels down. IMO fish-less with ammonium chloride and cultures is just the easiest way to do it without any hassle.

 

[NanoSteam]

IMHO etiquette might be the biggest problem in this whole thread, not to get on anyone but it feels like the thing that most got to @Mbernal was not what anyone's advice was but the way he was being talked to, which is likely made worse by how text makes everything feel more blunt if the writer doesn't have a flare for prose.

I think telling someone they're being cruel to their animals when they're obviously pretty broken up and that all the things that worked for them before are stupid is likely the worst way you could possibly try to get them to listen to your advice.

As to cycling with fish in, if you dose high with things like turbo start it shouldn't hurt them, though you want to watch the levels and do big water changes to keep levels down. IMO fish-less with ammonium chloride and cultures is just the easiest way to do it without any hassle.

Agreed with this, pretty sure @Mbernal is never coming back on R2R again lol whether intentional or not a lot of the posts sound like attacks.

 

[stE26wy14]

Was it a fencing tournament Stewy?

yeah :(
coaches were really pressuring me

 

[BeanAnimal]

I added the fish after the salt was dissolved and tank was running for a full day. This is what I was told to do with my previous tank and that tank is doing well. I didn’t just throw in sand and water and ad the fish in. Jesus.

If that is not adding sand, water and throwing fish in, I am not sure what would be. Your LFS is giving generally poor advice. But what is done is done and you followed the advice that you trusted. Let’s see if we can get you headed in the right direction.

There are many things that may have gone wrong from ammonia, to chlorine, to disease, to oxygen levels.

While a fish-in cycle can work, it is generally not recommended for various reasons. Likewise, adding numerous fish to a new or established tank all at once is typically not advised for various reasons.

Without knowing more, it is hard to tell what went wrong and the sound advice moving forward is to take things a lot slower. Your tap water may have had issues, low oxygen could be the result of a bacterial bloom in the new substrate, etc.

Keep the remaining fish in QT and fully cycle the tank without them. Add them back one at a time once the tank is confirmed to be cycled.

What have you done to confirm the suitability of your tap water? How are you measuring salinity, etc.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Sorry, it feels like I’m being eviscerated for following instructions. I was given that I also was given on my previous tank that is doing well. I have about six 25 pound bags of live sand and about 25 pounds of live rock in the tank. Not just water and salt.

I think people are more frustrated with the instructions, not you. Take step back, slow down and give the tank some time while the remaining fish are safe in QT. Be open to the idea that there are safer ways to start a tank and some of those methods. Are troubleshooting much easier. While it may seem simple, you have a lot of variables mixed in and answers are going to be mostly guesses at this point. Let’s just reset and get the tank cycled fist.

 

[DustyBootsAZ]

IMHO etiquette might be the biggest problem in this whole thread, not to get on anyone but it feels like the thing that most got to @Mbernal was not what anyone's advice was but the way he was being talked to, which is likely made worse by how text makes everything feel more blunt if the writer doesn't have a flare for prose.

I think telling someone they're being cruel to their animals when they're obviously pretty broken up and that all the things that worked for them before are stupid is likely the worst way you could possibly try to get them to listen to your advice.

As to cycling with fish in, if you dose high with things like turbo start it shouldn't hurt them, though you want to watch the levels and do big water changes to keep levels down. IMO fish-less with ammonium chloride and cultures is just the easiest way to do it without any hassle.

On this note, from a newbie that is just starting myself, the Turbostart 900 literally says in the instructions to immediately add fish with it! I followed the instructions and now am nonstop worrying about the little guys in the big tank that’s cycling because nowhere did it say add ammonia chloride with it and not fish. Luckily for me, my fish are still doing okay and I’m watching them like a hawk with a quarantine tank on standby, but I feel for the OP. Mistakes happen.

 

[stE26wy14]

On this note, from a newbie that is just starting myself, the Turbostart 900 literally says in the instructions to immediately add fish with it! I followed the instructions and now am nonstop worrying about the little guys in the big tank that’s cycling because nowhere did it say add ammonia chloride with it and not fish. Luckily for me, my fish are still doing okay and I’m watching them like a hawk with a quarantine tank on standby, but I feel for the OP. Mistakes happen.

thats weird, somebody should contact turbostart

happy ur fish r doing okay though!!

 

[Hakon]

On this note, from a newbie that is just starting myself, the Turbostart 900 literally says in the instructions to immediately add fish with it! I followed the instructions and now am nonstop worrying about the little guys in the big tank that’s cycling because nowhere did it say add ammonia chloride with it and not fish. Luckily for me, my fish are still doing okay and I’m watching them like a hawk with a quarantine tank on standby, but I feel for the OP. Mistakes happen.

Probably because making "fish in" cycling safe is what turbostart is ostensibly for, note that fritz doesn't sell amonium chloride to use with it, if fishless cycling was it's intended use they probably would, or at least they'd recommend it.

Back before we had such products (when I was a kid) "Fish in" meant you just put cheaper tougher fish in the tank and did water changes whenever ammonia started to spike. Might be part of why it has such a bad rep, back in the old old days it was a lot more harsh on fish.

It's a bit hazy for me because I was mostly a freshwater keeper for years and later a FOWLER guy before going back to cichlids then quitting for around a decade and I'm now getting back with a small-ish reef setup for my living space.

 

[jsmkmavity]

Looks like some of you guys ran the O.P. off and now you need to start your own thread.
If he is still reading i hope your fish survive, i hope your tank becomes successful, i dont see where one particular problem was really addressed-ie the discrepancy of the readings on ammonia/nitrates. I would suggest a better quality brand of test kits, like Salifert or if its in your budget Hannah testers. That will help a lot going forward. Its not you fault that a test kits results were inaccurate. Another possible problem is the bags of "live sand". You never know what might be in them. A lot of live sand or dry sand in bags needs a lot of cleaning before it becomes very beneficial-hard to know for sure. Your upgraded circulation should fix the oxygen problem untill you get a bunch of live rock and then you will probably need at least 1 more powerhead on a tank that size. Hope this helps.

 

[mcarroll]

nevermind