Have you ever been scammed or felt cheated?

Discussion in 'Reef Aquarium Discussion' started by revhtree, Mar 11, 2019.

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  1. Yes (tell us about it in the thread)

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  1. MombasaLionfish

    MombasaLionfish Active Member

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    Thanks for all the advice I'm new to the hobby.:)
     

  2. Nano1908

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    I just bought some rare coral. I think he called it green bamboozle. He continued to say it's super easy to keep. It's been over a year and it's still vibrant! No fading!
    Sorry, had to.

    Honestly saw my daughter's little scrunchie & immediately saw a coral! Lol. My tank isn't even running yet! I got it bad! Lol. 20190313_012306.jpeg
     
  3. soffutt

    soffutt Well-Known Member Build Thread Contributor

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  4. Ohashimz

    Ohashimz Active Member

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    Unvetted freelancer services.
    We tend to trust other who share us the same hobby...

    I own a well maintained aquarium. hardy fish, Many master scolys, high end and some rare sps colonies, high end chalices

    This guy agreed to host my coral and fish with him for couple of months. As I was going through house transition. I knew him through my fav fish store where he worked there for some time.
    He positioned himself as experienced, have multiple systems at his place and keep many fish across multiple systems, so all should be good. We also agreed that he will decide the payment amount and I will oblige.

    After we transferred all the coral and fish to his place, every time I ask about the live stocks he tells me all good and coral are growing and doing great.
    WHen I was ready to take my stuff back. whenever I ask for my live stocks I get excuses pushback that let's do it next week and week after..etc.
    One day I started getting worried so I pressured the guy in to giving me my stuff and asked for pictures of how my coral doing. He was pushing back saying lets take it slow so we do not impact my system, then started fake planning with me what should he bring first. while I was pressing him politely to give me my stuff back, he started saying he lost some pieces..
    I asked which pieces,
    Out of the blue He said...ALL of the coral

    He claimed that he lost all my coral a week ago during one day.

    I am experienced enough to know it's very hard to lose all this coral and fish in one day event especially if you have back up systems as he have claimed.

    Needless to say I was shocked because a day earlier he was pretending that all is going well and fake planning with me on the transfer.

    Then next day he also claimed that he lost all my fish as well. Even though earlier the same day he was promising to bring me back my fish..

    I demanded evidence on what happened. "If you have system crash that bad with customers stuff I would expect you to document it". He claimed he do not have pictures.
    He then gave me some dead skeletons of my coral which looked old and covered in green and Caroline algae which indicate it is an old dead skeletons not something that died recently.

    Days after I got to know that this guy have done this to couple other ppl. Where he promis to take care of their stuff only to claim they died when owner ask to get their stock back..


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  5. RicksReefs

    RicksReefs New Member

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    I got scammed by a friend in the hobby.

    I bought a radion from him he said give me some cash and then jus pay a guy for me done deal. Honestly I didnt do any math bc I just trusted my friend. I realized about 10 mins after leaving with the light I overpaid by 100$. I called him and said I needed the 100$ back and explained I overpaid. He said he didnt have the money any more but would get me back. I knew this was a loss but I wasnt going to go to jail over it. In my younger days I would have gone and collected on sight. I cut him off.

    Sometimes it's a cheap price to pay to get rid of dead weight.
     
  6. EmptyWallet

    EmptyWallet Active Member

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    I bought an eheim heater from an Australian online retailer (a big one), it was 'stuck on', paid return postage then they never sent me a replacement and ignored my emails and calls for months etc. I bought another one on eBay, same issue, only to learn that the eBay retailer of a different name was the same as the online retailer the scammed me on the first instance (same address). I then went through my eBay purchase history and discovered purchases from different eBay sellers all had the same physicaly address. Multiple eBay accounts to 'load balance' the negative feedback I presume.

    Infuriating stuff and the inner critic in me suspects they are intentionally selling faulty / returned equipment - Boooo, as what are the odds of 2x faulty eheims and if reputable why have many different trading names and sites
     
  7. Reefertweeker

    Reefertweeker New Member

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    What's the point in all this chitchat if a vendor or anyone else is ripping people off we need to call them out and do our part to put a stop to it in our hobby or there's no point in discussing it.
     
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  8. DarthSimon

    DarthSimon Aquarium Control Center R2R Supporter R2R Excellence Award Partner Member 2019 Reef Tank 365 Build Thread Contributor Controller Advisor NJRC Member

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    Yes, I bought a Green Mushroom from a LFS that was sold to me as lineage frag from a bounce mushroom, and it never bounced....
     
  9. Darkhorse

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    I think people in the industry brainwashed pulsing xenia..Every time I take them home they stop pulsing... Can we stop with the brainwashing please.
     
  10. Darkhorse

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    I think people in the industry brainwashed pulsing Xenia..Every time I take them home they stop pulsing..Can we stop with brainwashing please.
     
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  11. vetteguy53081

    vetteguy53081 Well known Member R2R Supporter Partner Member 2019 R2R Secret Santa Reef Tank 365 Build Thread Contributor Article Contributor

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    Turn on some music. Bet they'll do " The Twist " !!

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  12. ewauk

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    Every time I see the gallons a skimmer is rated for...I remember the first one I bought. Just a general scamming for a lot of new reefers. imo
     
  13. AnemoneBay

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    At keep on reefing, this piece of trash vendor sold me an exploded heater, a broken pump, and a dead light. I’m going to scream at him this year when I see him. $80 wasted.
     
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  14. adam finley

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    Nope we can definitely tell from the picture lol.
     
  15. Ohashimz

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    Not the case with ligit ones like bubble king. They will beg you not to oversize.
     
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  16. adam finley

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    I chuckled a little as well. I feel bad for you but that guy is clearly a well seasoned piece of trash.
     
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  17. Elgringodiablo

    Elgringodiablo Well-Known Member R2R Supporter Build Thread Contributor

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    A couple years ago I dealt with some really flakey guys in upstate NY on a $100 lightning maroon clown pair pre-sale (back when those were still pricey), on here of all places (they were a sponsor for a while). Sent the money and they kept making excuses when I asked for shipping updates. After about a month I demanded my money back and counted myself fortunate to get refunded.

    A few months ago I read on a FB group that those same guys had an extensive track record for being flakey and not delivering, and were basically run out of the business by negative reviews and chargebacks. Lesson learned, don't participate in pre-sales... If the seller is doing a pre-sale they probably can't afford to buy the product and will leave you hanging if the supplier doesn't deliver.

    Similar story, a friend of a friend sent tens of thousands of dollars by wire overseas for a couple hundred ecclectus mushrooms. He had people pre-buying at the promise of bargain prices. Meanwhile the seller overseas starts asking for more money... Months later nothing has been delivered and buyers are calling their credit card companies to get refunds. The second I heard the story I said to my friend "sounds like a scam to me"...

    While there are a lot of great people in the industry, there are also some shady operators. Always use normal PayPal (not F&F), don't buy things you haven't seen, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is...
     
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  18. Cujo#31

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    Over the years I have been very lucky. As many have said, for the most part reefers are good people as a whole. But I’m sure my day is coming, too many snakes in the grass, too many opportunities, and the cash count can get high quickly, especially if dealing with high end hardware and livestock.
    If buying from an online vendor, put out a thread requesting people’s experiences with them, but have respondents reply by PM to get more honest responses and details. Most people won’t publicly drag a name through the mud because the circle is really small. If the vendor is top shelf you will have a ton of positive public responses
    The most valuable thing anyone can do is get to know as many reputable members as possible. Then if you shop “outside the circle” ask your trusted sources if they know “this guy”. If they are unknown within your circle, best to not buy.
    Another way is to post “looking for “X” coral”. You generally get tons of hints and suggestions, and you can vett out the sources.
     
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  19. AquaDaddy

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    I don't know if these qualify as scams, but I've had a couple instances of seemed like shady business, all from folks on here selling hardware. On two separate occasions, I've been asked to pay shipping and paypal fees, or to purchase as a "friend" to which I had to even ask what the difference was and he said he'd have to charge more if I didn't use the friend. I've also purchased a couple items where I felt like the owners really misrepresented the gear. For example, they talk about knowing the history of the item, but clearly don''t and one instance didn't even know how to use the product. So, honestly, I've very gun-shy now about purchasing used gear on here. People are often asking almost as much as new so while I won't stop purchasing used, I'm more adpt to purchase new because of these experiences. Again, goes to another comment about feeling like you should or can trust someone because they're in the hobby too.
     
  20. Medical_Reef

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    I was looking at some places to get discount frag packs online, but after reading this I think I'll just wait for the next WWC live sale. lol
     
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