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I bought a coral and the seller was very convincing it was an orange torch. I expressed skepticism but said if it truly is orange I’m interested. They told me they have a “high end underwater 4k” camera that cost over 1000$ and it accurately capture colors the way they appear to the naked eye in real life. The seller made a video for me of the coral as proof. This is the video


I didn’t see any way a video like this could be faked. They said it’s under a kessil fixture with 100% blues and the coral looks like this in person, in real life, to the naked eye

I asked for a cell phone video with a orange lens. They told me they don’t use the lens anymore because it’s not accurate and makes the coral appear yellow but made the video anyway


I bought the coral. And in blue light to the naked eye, this is the torch. Just like the cell phone / orange filter video
Blue light
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Day Spectrum
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So my question is, how did they get me a video in 5 minutes that shows the torch as orange instead of yellow. Is this white balance, exposure, a camera filter/app. How did they make that orange video - what setting or whatever is manipulating yellow to appear like that.
 

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I bought a coral and the seller was very convincing it was an orange torch. I expressed skepticism but said if it truly is orange I’m interested. They told me they have a “high end underwater 4k” camera that cost over 1000$ and it accurately capture colors the way they appear to the naked eye in real life. The seller made a video for me of the coral as proof. This is the video


I didn’t see any way a video like this could be faked. They said it’s under a kessil fixture with 100% blues and the coral looks like this in person, in real life, to the naked eye

I asked for a cell phone video with a orange lens. They told me they don’t use the lens anymore because it’s not accurate and makes the coral appear yellow but made the video anyway


I bought the coral. And in blue light to the naked eye, this is the torch. Just like the cell phone / orange filter video
Blue light
9403941F-E773-431A-93AA-CD5925B4C2E4.jpeg

Day Spectrum
AEDF8B0A-04F7-4862-9E12-78B95FA749DF.jpeg

So my question is, how did they get me a video in 5 minutes that shows the torch as orange instead of yellow. Is this white balance, exposure, a camera filter/app. How did they make that orange video - what setting or whatever is manipulating yellow to appear like that.

Potentially by turning up the red spectrum on their lights.
 
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Would we see red reflection on the floor?

Also I took a pic and bumped my red to 100% and it didn’t change from my camera perspective

Blue/Red/green 100% and blue/red 100%
 

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Dang it's not orange.
I don't know on the camera but before I got a orange filter I used to use the pro mode on my phone to adjust iso and whatnot.
I could make the anenome look blue and line green. I'll try to find an example.

Can I have that aptasia
 

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I wonder if they were using them smatfarm lights. I’ve seen them produce orange and metallic orange
 

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So you basically got sold a banana torch? They just adjusted setting.
I just found a massive one in the back of my neglected nano, 3” high stalk and the polyp diameter was 2”. It took an entire syringe of aiptasia x. An entire full syringe
Aw I wanted it.do you have any og rainbows left?
 
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Everyone has their own preferences but to me, I view banana as higher grade / value than indo gold or whatever you want to call torch whose tentacles are purple on bottom half and yellow on top half.

For example, this is banana - full solid yellow tentacle but no green mouth C2B553F3-EFA3-4F53-9269-16B994F491C2.jpeg
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This is banana grail - green mouth / base of tentacle, then becomes full yellow / gold
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What I was sold is a variety of indo gold, there’s a few names, knicks, 24k, whatever they are all basically the same. Tentacles whose full length is divided and top half gold/yellow and bottom purple
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Here same torch single head. Photo manipulated and brightened but overall you can still tell this is a gold/purple tentacle torch. 99$
 

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I bought a coral and the seller was very convincing it was an orange torch. I expressed skepticism but said if it truly is orange I’m interested. They told me they have a “high end underwater 4k” camera that cost over 1000$ and it accurately capture colors the way they appear to the naked eye in real life. The seller made a video for me of the coral as proof. This is the video


I didn’t see any way a video like this could be faked. They said it’s under a kessil fixture with 100% blues and the coral looks like this in person, in real life, to the naked eye

I asked for a cell phone video with a orange lens. They told me they don’t use the lens anymore because it’s not accurate and makes the coral appear yellow but made the video anyway


I bought the coral. And in blue light to the naked eye, this is the torch. Just like the cell phone / orange filter video
Blue light
9403941F-E773-431A-93AA-CD5925B4C2E4.jpeg

Day Spectrum
AEDF8B0A-04F7-4862-9E12-78B95FA749DF.jpeg

So my question is, how did they get me a video in 5 minutes that shows the torch as orange instead of yellow. Is this white balance, exposure, a camera filter/app. How did they make that orange video - what setting or whatever is manipulating yellow to appear like that.

I have a torch that looks very orange kinda like their first video but instead of blue it has greenish teal tips. I can’t capture it in pictures at all. Doesn’t look very orange in pictures. It must be my lighting. I wonder if they can share their schedule with you.
 
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I have a torch that looks very orange kinda like their first video but instead of blue it has greenish teal tips. I can’t capture it in pictures at all. Doesn’t look very orange in pictures. It must be my lighting. I wonder if they can share their schedule with you.

They told me the lighting is a kessil fixture on 100% blue only.

I put my photon led on blue only and it is still yellow. I’ve had kessil owners put their lights on blue only and they report yellow torch still appears completely yellow.

I had the seller use an orange filter and the coral came out yellow, exactly how it appears in person. If the torch was orange then using an orange filter would make it appear more orange, and it wouldn’t change the color to yellow
 

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If you’re asking how you would fake that video there are several ways but the easiest and fastest would be chroma key.
 

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They told me the lighting is a kessil fixture on 100% blue only.

I put my photon led on blue only and it is still yellow. I’ve had kessil owners put their lights on blue only and they report yellow torch still appears completely yellow.

I had the seller use an orange filter and the coral came out yellow, exactly how it appears in person. If the torch was orange then using an orange filter would make it appear more orange, and it wouldn’t change the color to yellow
Interesting. No idea. Good luck!!!!
 
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If you’re asking how you would fake that video there are several ways but the easiest and fastest would be chroma key.

Yea I’m asking what he did.
Can anyone quickly and easily replicate it ? And film a yellow torch or object and have it come out similar to the videos?

He did this in about 10 minutes and it’s a 30 second video so that gave him a few minutes to record, edit and upload a YouTube short. Or, he has settings on the camera that record like this, eliminating the steps of post video editing

So I was wondering. Is it possible this was created and edited quickly and easy, via camera settings or post editing software. And if yes, is anyone able to reproduce it and film something yellow and show how the settings make it look this deep orange
 

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Yea I’m asking what he did.
Can anyone quickly and easily replicate it ? And film a yellow torch or object and have it come out similar to the videos?

He did this in about 10 minutes and it’s a 30 second video so that gave him a few minutes to record, edit and upload a YouTube short. Or, he has settings on the camera that record like this, eliminating the steps of post video editing

So I was wondering. Is it possible this was created and edited quickly and easy, via camera settings or post editing software. And if yes, is anyone able to reproduce it and film something yellow and show how the settings make it look this deep orange

I think there are apps that will chroma key. Based on a decent workstation it would be around 3 minutes of rendering time assuming it was 30/1080p.
 

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torch.jpeg


Grabbed three points of gradient and removed them. Then masked over the original which was adjusted down on the cyan channel and up 50% on red highlights and mid-tones.

1s of video at 60fps was just over 15 seconds to render.
 
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Ok so definitely possible If he took the time to figure out the combo, he could quickly apply it and alter to get these results
 

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