Help with ATO

[bdare]

Hello,

I just received my 2 sensors and probe holders in the mail. Trying to program the controller for ATO.

I have already seen the available video online however they only discuss 2 options there.
1) Bottom sensor turns the ATO pump on and the top sensor turns the pump off
2) Both sensors must activate for the pump to turn on

This is not what I'm looking for. I want the bottom sensor to turn the ATO on and off. I want the top sensor to act like a fail safe in case the bottom sensor fails and cut power to the ATO pump. Does anyone have an example of how to program this?

Also, I bought an optical sensor for the primary sensor. Is there a way to test on and off of the sensor out of water?

Thanks,
Ben

 

[griff500]

There is an option for a 2-sensor ATO that I seem to recall works in the way you want. I think you need to test the optical with water, or at least that's the way I did it.

 

[bdare]

I was hoping that was the case, but in the video it says that's for one to turn on and the other to turn off.

 

[griff500]

Use the ATO with 2 sensors option and it works like you want. Read the Profilux Resource Guide and it explicitly states this. It's worth a read.

 

[bdare]

Use the ATO with 2 sensors option and it works like you want. Read the Profilux Resource Guide and it explicitly states this. It's worth a read.

I've read it several times and watched the videos. It's still not clear to me. I'm a computer nerd by trade so I'm confident I'll start to understand how this thing works soon, however I'm still brand new to ProFilux and learning their logic is difficult for me to understand. Per the screenshot below from the Resource Guide, the 2 sensor selection works as I mentioned above... not what I'm looking for.

 

[griff500]

Ah, I didn't read your post correctly...

Wouldn't you simply use a 1-sensor ATO function and then use the higher level sensor to warn of a high sump level, then set some logic to only perform the ATO function if the ATO sensor is active and the high-level sensor is inactive? You then refer to that programmable logic in the switch control for the ATO pump.

Something along those lines?

 

[bdare]

Ah, I didn't read your post correctly...

Wouldn't you simply use a 1-sensor ATO function and then use the higher level sensor to warn of a high sump level, then set some logic to only perform the ATO function if the ATO sensor is active and the high-level sensor is inactive? You then refer to that programmable logic in the switch control for the ATO pump.

Something along those lines?

Yep. That sounds like it would work but I don't know how to do that. I've also been reading about the sensor function "Leakage Detection". Sounds like that should turn off a pump with "FILL WATER" assigned, but it's not working.

Here's what I have now:

The auto top off definitely works. When the optical sensor is out of water, it triggers the ATO pump, but then when I trigger the second sensor, the pump does not shut off.

 

[Ditto]

Want to make sure I get this right :)

You want sensor 1 to be your ATO and sensor 2 to be a failsafe in the event the ATO sensor 1 fails that in the event it activates it kills the ATO pump?

You also have the max on time setting on the sensor which also does the same thing? It will not allow you to run the pump beyond the max time setting once triggered it will remain off until you manually reset the error.

What socket is your pump plugged into and which sensor will be the main ato and which sensor will be the high level sensor?

 

[bdare]

Want to make sure I get this right :)

You want sensor 1 to be your ATO and sensor 2 to be a failsafe in the event the ATO sensor 1 fails that in the event it activates it kills the ATO pump?

You also have the max on time setting on the sensor which also does the same thing? It will not allow you to run the pump beyond the max time setting once triggered it will remain off until you manually reset the error.

What socket is your pump plugged into and which sensor will be the main ato and which sensor will be the high level sensor?

Hi Ditto,

You are correct. In my screenshots above I have sensor 2 as the Top Off and Sensor 1 as the leak detection.
I don't trust the timer as much as the sensors just because it seems like more of a "random" variable if you will.
My ATO pump is plugged into S3.

I suppose I'm just looking to get it setup this way because that is how any ATO system I've ever used has operated, Tunze etc...

Thanks,
Ben

 

[Ditto]

First We need to setup your ATO Sensor

Second we need to set the High Sump Sensor as I like to call it :)

We now need to go into program Logic and create a program logic that ties these two together. Please note the Fill Water ATO Only 2 is Inverted :)

Assign the Program Logic to your switch port

Assign your Socket to your pump.

See if this works for you :)

 

[Ditto]

Forgot to add the Timer is not random it starts as soon as the condition starts and you should program it as a 3rd safety net :)

The way to test the above is you should able to activate the ATO manually and while it running activate the other sensor manually and the ATO should shut off.

I use the above methodology for my High Sump Alarm, which in turn turns off my Skimmer, UV, Media Reactors, and Chiller in the event something goes wrong :)

 

[bdare]

Forgot to add the Timer is not random it starts as soon as the condition starts and you should program it as a 3rd safety net :)

The way to test the above is you should able to activate the ATO manually and while it running activate the other sensor manually and the ATO should shut off.

I use the above methodology for my High Sump Alarm, which in turn turns off my Skimmer, UV, Media Reactors, and Chiller in the event something goes wrong :)

Ohhh.... good idea. I would also like to turn off my skimmer should the high water alarm trigger!

Update: I got the high water sensor to work, but oddly enough NOT with the high water sensor set to "invert".

 

[bdare]

I got the skimmer to turn off with the high water sensor and feed timer:
Feed Timer (Thanks Ditto):

Program Logic which is assinged to skimmer for high water sensor and feed timer.

New Program assigned to skimmer:

 

[Ditto]

@bdare - It a great additional feature to have and easy to do once you have the other sensor installed and no advance coding needed and done all in drop down menu options.

 

[Bucknutz]

Hello all,
This is my first attempt at anything advanced with the ProfiLux so please bear with me. I've had an Apex for 6 years and just now made the jump to the ProfiLux.

I followed @Ditto's directions here but no matter what I do I can't get the float switch to do what it is supposed to do and shut the pump off.

Some guidance would be greatly appreciated.

FYI I'm using GHL Connect as well.

ATO Sensor:

High Sump Sensor:

Program Logic 2:

Switch Channel 15:

Socket 2:

 

[Ditto]

@Bucknutz - did you try the high water sump sensor in your advance logic not inverted? @bdare said his worked but the high sump was not inverted in his logic.

 

[Bucknutz]

@Bucknutz - did you try the high water sump sensor in your advance logic not inverted? @bdare said his worked but the high sump was not inverted in his logic.

Yes I did @Ditto. Thank you for the reply.

 

[Ditto]

@Bucknutz - And it still not working for you?

If you do just one fill water and not the high sump sensor does it shut down?

 

[Bucknutz]

@Bucknutz - And it still not working for you?

If you do just one fill water and not the high sump sensor does it shut down?

Correct. The optical sensor is working great as the ATO. No matter what I do the float switch won't shut down the pump when I manually activate the switch.

 

[bdare]

Correct. The optical sensor is working great as the ATO. No matter what I do the float switch won't shut down the pump when I manually activate the switch.

Can you post your program? I got mine working.