OP
OP
Here's my running tally of the way buyers are trained to handle cycling vastly different than sellers:
Nitrite
buyers: you better wait for hard zero proof or you'll stall your cycle. average wait for you, about a month-ish. completion times range; you will never get your tank ready on a known completion date, testing and finesse determines completion date. it ranges tank to tank.
sellers: we never check it and none of our tanks mis a start date at a convention. we certainly wouldn't care if some was detected; we believe Randy's article from 2006. every time we want bioload carried worth $30 grand in frags, we attain that. at home or in a different city, doesn't matter, total timeliness.
Ammonia control
buyers: you must get absolute zero or you'll stall your cycle. expected wait time after dosing bottle bac: one month, it ranges, no two tanks can have a predicted cycle completion date.
sellers: we never check it in our tanks at reef conventions because we've moved over already cycled rocks from styrofoam containers which constitutes complete no-wait skip cycling. that's not in the buyer's option set, as you can see they are patiently waiting a month and dosing more bacteria (convenient, right?) for every perceived stall.
we know reef tanks don't run at zero ammonia, seneye owners know this too, so why would you expect that and wait for it in a cycle relying on the worlds most cheap ammonia test kit to read hard zero
Nitrate
buyers: if your test kit doesn't say some positive degree of nitrate, you're stalled, wait another month.
sellers: we could not care less what nitrate reads in any cycle. If full running reef tanks can be zero nitrate and still retain a cycle, then a newly cycled tank (or skip cycle live rock insta setup) may also show zero nitrate especially if we select to measure with the world's most cheapest available marine nitrate test kit, api nitrate. we dont care, we'll never factor nitrate in a cycle. You will. and you'll buy more bacteria when api commands you to.
*you can now find dry start marine setups at most reef tank conventions, demonstrating the prowess and quickness of bottled bacteria. Their whole company has measured the ability per unit of measure of the bac, that's why the clownfish in the packed display are acting normal, its strong stuff. only forum cycles wrestle with bottle bac for thirty days, even our ten days seems crazy to a convention cycler who knows they are controlling ammonia right out of the bottle. We're more careful here since buyers didnt bring right from factory...they had retail-held bottles we need to verify. all these steps we take are to verify held bottle bac wasn't killed, you can see we haven't come across dead bottles here in 25+ pages so they're uncommon. starting bioloads are easily carried the minute bottle bac is dosed due to dilution and combined ability from the bottle. Nobody at a reef convention is trained to input 2 ppm ammonia and base compliance on api, they let the starting bioload be the feed source for the bacteria...again highly opposite practice to how buyers are trained. Our main issue is we hardly ever get digital test readings from a seneye, when we do my troubleshoots will be far less in demand. these cycles are all setting up very very fast, very very consistently.
Nitrite
buyers: you better wait for hard zero proof or you'll stall your cycle. average wait for you, about a month-ish. completion times range; you will never get your tank ready on a known completion date, testing and finesse determines completion date. it ranges tank to tank.
sellers: we never check it and none of our tanks mis a start date at a convention. we certainly wouldn't care if some was detected; we believe Randy's article from 2006. every time we want bioload carried worth $30 grand in frags, we attain that. at home or in a different city, doesn't matter, total timeliness.
Ammonia control
buyers: you must get absolute zero or you'll stall your cycle. expected wait time after dosing bottle bac: one month, it ranges, no two tanks can have a predicted cycle completion date.
sellers: we never check it in our tanks at reef conventions because we've moved over already cycled rocks from styrofoam containers which constitutes complete no-wait skip cycling. that's not in the buyer's option set, as you can see they are patiently waiting a month and dosing more bacteria (convenient, right?) for every perceived stall.
we know reef tanks don't run at zero ammonia, seneye owners know this too, so why would you expect that and wait for it in a cycle relying on the worlds most cheap ammonia test kit to read hard zero
Nitrate
buyers: if your test kit doesn't say some positive degree of nitrate, you're stalled, wait another month.
sellers: we could not care less what nitrate reads in any cycle. If full running reef tanks can be zero nitrate and still retain a cycle, then a newly cycled tank (or skip cycle live rock insta setup) may also show zero nitrate especially if we select to measure with the world's most cheapest available marine nitrate test kit, api nitrate. we dont care, we'll never factor nitrate in a cycle. You will. and you'll buy more bacteria when api commands you to.
*you can now find dry start marine setups at most reef tank conventions, demonstrating the prowess and quickness of bottled bacteria. Their whole company has measured the ability per unit of measure of the bac, that's why the clownfish in the packed display are acting normal, its strong stuff. only forum cycles wrestle with bottle bac for thirty days, even our ten days seems crazy to a convention cycler who knows they are controlling ammonia right out of the bottle. We're more careful here since buyers didnt bring right from factory...they had retail-held bottles we need to verify. all these steps we take are to verify held bottle bac wasn't killed, you can see we haven't come across dead bottles here in 25+ pages so they're uncommon. starting bioloads are easily carried the minute bottle bac is dosed due to dilution and combined ability from the bottle. Nobody at a reef convention is trained to input 2 ppm ammonia and base compliance on api, they let the starting bioload be the feed source for the bacteria...again highly opposite practice to how buyers are trained. Our main issue is we hardly ever get digital test readings from a seneye, when we do my troubleshoots will be far less in demand. these cycles are all setting up very very fast, very very consistently.
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