Is my lyretail sick or is she transitioning to male

[pcorpion]

 

[Ben.QLD2]

Images aren't very clear but to me it looks like mucous sloughing or scuffed up scales which could mean a disease like velvet or brooklynella, or physical trauma from bullying.

It doesn't look like normal pigment change or light coloured bands.

Like I said though, images are blurry.

 

[vetteguy53081]

Pics are dark and fuzzy but preliminary indication is bacterial issue and not sex change but need clearer pics under white lighting to best assess the issue

 

[pcorpion]

If it’s bacterial what should I do or what are my options?the lights are out now so I will have to wait until tomorrow. But if it’s brook velvet what do I do .

 

[Herbie's Reef]

I am nowhere near an expert on this topic but I believe that you would want to remove it from the main tank and treat the fish with copper in a separate tank. That of course would only be if it was ich or velvet. I am not sure what to do if it is Brooke though. Maybe Prazi pro??? I currently have formalin on hand for if I do run into Brooke too. If it was bacterial I currently use nitrofurazone during quarantine to help with bacterial infections. I would wait for other people to respond as I am not an expert but just thought that I should say what I was thinking. I would also try and get some better pictures for identification too as others have stated.

 

[Ben.QLD2]

I wouldn't jump at any treatment unless you have a diagnosis. For now, I would isolate it in a QT and then photograph under white lighting.

In the meantime, tell us the history of the fish, tank parameters, and what the tankmates are.

Anthias love to bicker so it's most likely going to be some minor injuries from that but we can't tell right now.

 

[vetteguy53081]

If it’s bacterial what should I do or what are my options?the lights are out now so I will have to wait until tomorrow. But if it’s brook velvet what do I do .

Need clearer pictures to best assess. Guesses will not treat fish appropriately

 

[pcorpion]

Copy..

 

[vetteguy53081]

I am nowhere near an expert on this topic but I believe that you would want to remove it from the main tank and treat the fish with copper in a separate tank. That of course would only be if it was ich or velvet. I am not sure what to do if it is Brooke though. Maybe Prazi pro??? I currently have formalin on hand for if I do run into Brooke too. If it was bacterial I currently use nitrofurazone during quarantine to help with bacterial infections. I would wait for other people to respond as I am not an expert but just thought that I should say what I was thinking. I would also try and get some better pictures for identification too as others have stated.

Not prazi nor is it ich. Copper does not sit well with fish like this and please recommend if youre sure as it can result in death. Pics are unclear making it impossible to recommend aything

 

[pcorpion]

Need clearer pictures to best assess. Guesses will not treat fish appropriately

 

[pcorpion]

Taken with iPhone all I have

 

[vetteguy53081]

Taken with iPhone all I have

Theyre a little fuzzy but better and if I see correctly, they are marks from aggression injury, does not appear bacterial and thank goodness not uronema
have you noticed any disagreements with the clown or other tankmates mainly at feeding time?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

When a fish looks scuffed up like this, tankmate aggression is certainly a common cause. However flukes commonly give a fish a scruffy look as well. We need a full history, how long have you had the fish, what the other tank mates are, etc.

Jay

 

[pcorpion]

When a fish looks scuffed up like this, tankmate aggression is certainly a common cause. However flukes commonly give a fish a scruffy look as well. We need a full history, how long have you had the fish, what the other tank mates are, etc.

Jay

Ok first thank you guys for taking a look into this. I have a 26 gallon nano tank I started the tank last august . The bio load is one clown two lyretail Anthias. The clown fish was purchased from dr reefs fish in September. The Anthias was bought together from live aquaria in middle of October. The Anthias sat in an observation 20gallon tank for 30 days . They were added to dt after 30 day observation. They were what appeared to me perfect eating like pigs . 4 times a day pellets .

3 weeks ago the 2” one was pestering and chasing the 1’’ one into the rock structure. All the large one does or did was chase her around . Well last Thursday under blue light I’ve noticed the white patchy skin on body and was definitely devastated this genius is my favorite so far .
I know these fish are too big for 26 gallon but I will have the reefer s1000 265 gallon tank in two or three months . To be fair I have noticed the large one the ruff looking one yawning . But still eating like a pig . It gets along well with the clown and I’ve noticed a change in its behavior it is no longer chasing all day the smaller one . Just occasionally now . I called live Aquaria which by the way was prompt and extremely informative they told me that it is changing sex .

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Ok first thank you guys for taking a look into this. I have a 26 gallon nano tank I started the tank last august . The bio load is one clown two lyretail Anthias. The clown fish was purchased from dr reefs fish in September. The Anthias was bought together from live aquaria in middle of October. The Anthias sat in an observation 20gallon tank for 30 days . They were added to dt after 30 day observation. They were what appeared to me perfect eating like pigs . 4 times a day pellets .

3 weeks ago the 2” one was pestering and chasing the 1’’ one into the rock structure. All the large one does or did was chase her around . Well last Thursday under blue light I’ve noticed the white patchy skin on body and was definitely devastated this genius is my favorite so far .
I know these fish are too big for 26 gallon but I will have the reefer s1000 265 gallon tank in two or three months . To be fair I have noticed the large one the ruff looking one yawning . But still eating like a pig . It gets along well with the clown and I’ve noticed a change in its behavior it is no longer chasing all day the smaller one . Just occasionally now . I called live Aquaria which by the way was prompt and extremely informative they told me that it is changing sex .

If I understand, the large one is the scruffy one and it was chasing the smaller one? If so, you should consider that it is flukes. Observational quarantine does nothing for those, and Live Aquaria does not pre-treat for that issue. You may not be able to keep those two anthias in the same tank though without fighting. LA isn't quite right about the "changing sex" issue, it is a dominance thing, but two anthias often fight in small tanks regardless of their sex.

I think you need to dose your tank with Prazipro, 2 or 3 times, 8 days apart with good aeration and a 25% water change before the second and third treatment, and a water change 3 days after the third treatment.

Jay

 

[pcorpion]

Thank you so much for your time . So if I understand this correctly. I have some acros in the tank did you suggest treating the main tank as well or pull the effected guy out and just treat him with prazipro? Is prazi pro tested with Sps coral also would the other two fish need to be treated as well?

 

[homer1475]

Prazi is completely reef safe. I've dosed it to a tank full of acros without issues.

 

[exnisstech]

Not what your asking I know but more than likely your going to have trouble with just 2 and may well end up with one. They do better in groups as aggression isn't focused on a single fish.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Thank you so much for your time . So if I understand this correctly. I have some acros in the tank did you suggest treating the main tank as well or pull the effected guy out and just treat him with prazipro? Is prazi pro tested with Sps coral also would the other two fish need to be treated as well?

The whole DT needs to be treated in case they are egg laying flukes, otherwise the fish can just get reinfected.
No treatment is completely risk free, but healthy corals will not be affected by a properly done prazi treatment. There will be some nutrients entering the system due to the solvent used, similar to carbon dosing. Discontinue any carbon dosing before and during a Prazipro treatment.
Jay

 

[vetteguy53081]

Not what your asking I know but more than likely your going to have trouble with just 2 and may well end up with one. They do better in groups as aggression isn't focused on a single fish.

best in odd numbers . . . 1, 3, 5 and so forth