Its our fault!

[TaylorPilot]

@CODE3EMT Yea, flying isn't a hobby, it really is a way of life.....I would say that if you got a like minded partner and went in half on a plane, you could get a nicely equipped Bonanza and operate it for about $1,500 a month each. So 3k total a month. Obviously there will be months where you get a 10k maintenance bill, but over time, it all averages out. You just have to be religious about putting back money every hour you fly so it all averages out. I could go on for hours about operating costs.

Check this channel out...This guy was one, if not the youngest guy to fly around the world. He did it in this plane on the video (A36 Bonanza). Its a 70's model, this exact model is still made today, although it is called a G36 because of different avionics package and cost over $900,000 today brand new. This one has been completely gone through. Just for reference, each one of those screens on the dash is about $20,000 each, before you have them installed. Club seating for 4 in the back (although it is weight limited) and two up front. It's really a 5 man airplane. 190 MPH on about 12.5 GPH.

 

[CODE3EMT]

Wow! That guy looks like he's 15, 16 years old tops! LOL. Thanks for sharing the Youtube channel. He's got some beautiful videos for sure. Ya, one of our Paramedics owned a twin engine Comanche.....beautiful plane a little dated, he had bought it used with analog instrumentation. He's taken me up a couple times. He recently sold it to a retired 757 UPS pilot. Last I heard..... the guy pretty much installed an all "glass cockpit" Total upgrade! My friend just couldn't swing the cost of ownership on a Paramedics salary... and thats about $90,000 annually in California.

 

[freshy&salty]

And it's our fault that most the reefs around the world probably will die the coming 25-50 years as well. Not many people are willing to cut back on flying, driving cars, eating meat, and all those other things that contribute to the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. I contribute as well, so I'm not better than anyone else. But trying harder and harder to make better choices.

I guess I'm might get some comments on this, but it's okey :)

25 - 50 yrs? You are one hell of an optimist. Literally 10 tops and theyre gone.

 

[Sallstrom]

25 - 50 yrs? You are one hell of an optimist. Literally 10 tops and theyre gone.

I agree, but didn't want to come on too hard :)

It's very clear we are from different countries we who writes in this thread. I'll try not to write something that's not okey with the rules of the forum.

I do not give my money to anyone just because I'm trying to reducing my carbon and plastic footprint. I fly less, I don't have a car etc. No one gets rich on me not buying stuff :)

The researchers I know are not rich either. Many of them give up their careers because it's too hard making a living as a researcher compared to a regular job.

 

[Dr.Xipoles]

Most of the people on here aren't the ones contributing to the plastic problem, as we are the ones trying to save the oceans.

 

[Opus]

Most of the people on here aren't the ones contributing to the plastic problem, as we are the ones trying to save the oceans.

Your being way to optimistic in my opinion.

 

[TaylorPilot]

CO2 is one thing, but plastic ending up in the oceans is another. How does the plastic container I throw in a trash bag end up in the ocean. Shouldn't it be taken and safely put in land fills. How is it getting from under ground to the ocean? It sounds like it is more a failure of municipalities and government than of an individual wanting to use a plastic bag. Although if they still have paper bags, it wouldn't be an issue. Those things practically fall apart the second they get wet. I just think they are more expensive to make, so most companies don't provide them.

 

[OriginalUserName]

People that insist that everything always works out baffle me. There are numerous examples that show this is completely false. Burying your head in the sand for political reasons doesn't change the facts that we can and do damage the environment. Sure, life won't end, but enjoy your ocean with just jelly fish and squid. Me, I prefer to keep coral alive and tasty tuna in abundance.

CO2 is one thing, but plastic ending up in the oceans is another. How does the plastic container I throw in a trash bag end up in the ocean. Shouldn't it be taken and safely put in land fills. How is it getting from under ground to the ocean? It sounds like it is more a failure of municipalities and government than of an individual wanting to use a plastic bag. Although if they still have paper bags, it wouldn't be an issue. Those things practically fall apart the second they get wet. I just think they are more expensive to make, so most companies don't provide them.

Plenty of ways. People litter, trash barges sink, things blow off the back of a truck. Heck, companies in the US can still sell cosmetics with tiny plastic particles that wind up in the ecosystem and take forever to degrade.

 

[TaylorPilot]

That is my point. No amount of me recycling, driving a smart car, or living in a earthen ware hut is going to change other people littering. If disposed of properly, plastic shouldn't end up in the ocean. If it does it is because of someone else down the line dropping the ball. Also, I thought they wrote a law that was phasing out non-biodegradable micro beads in 2015?

 

[fish farmer]

That is my point. No amount of me recycling, driving a smart car, or living in a earthen ware hut is going to change other people littering. If disposed of properly, plastic shouldn't end up in the ocean. If it does it is because of someone else down the line dropping the ball. Also, I thought they wrote a law that was phasing out non-biodegradable micro beads in 2015?

I would venture to say a good portion of wastes, plastics, etc come from people living close to shorelines/rivers in developing nations. Stuff is either tossed or is washed away. When local communities are built along waterways, floods and tsunamis are an easy way for stuff to get washed out to sea.

Where I live(Vermont), there are laws in my town about not storing things in floodplains, because they can wash away(duh). There are also more stringent laws regarding developing in floodplains up here since TS Irene blasted our towns.

 

[TaylorPilot]

I would venture to say a good portion of wastes, plastics, etc come from people living close to shorelines/rivers in developing nations. Stuff is either tossed or is washed away. When local communities are built along waterways, floods and tsunamis are an easy way for stuff to get washed out to sea.

Where I live(Vermont), there are laws in my town about not storing things in floodplains, because they can wash away(duh). There are also more stringent laws regarding developing in floodplains up here since TS Irene blasted our towns.

I agree, and those are all good common sense precautions to me.

 

[samnaz]

Lets be realistic, in my 35 years of Military Service I was involved in no less than 7 different conflicts from Vietnam to Afghanistan including covert operations in 130 different countries. During that time we used tens of Billions of gallons of gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, we fired Billions of rounds of ammunition, artillery shells, dropped millions of tons of bombs, spread Depleted Uranium all over the middle east, left death, destruction and more waste than anyone can possibly imagine everywhere we went.

Plastic waste? Do you or anyone else really believe that other countries really worry about local or for that matter global pollution? Recycling is a wonderful idea but in reality it is a joke. People say "we have to do something" all the while ignoring the issue of global jihad, terrorism, poverty and that the U.S. is in a permanent state of war.

The reality is that there is nothing that any individual or group can do to make any real difference, vote for this person or party to your hearts content, what effect will your vote have on some poor slob in Africa, rural China, Indonesia or a hundred other places you could name? Think you or anyone else will stop the U.S. (global) Military Industrial Complex from waging war on anyone and everyone they can in order to make a profit?

War Is A Racket

WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.

A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

Take a look at Hockey Stick the Polar Bears are going to be extinct AL Gore. Jetting around in his private jet, living in a 10,000 square foot mansion, all the while decrying what you (and I) should do to stop global warming.

It is all Bravo Sierra.

Yes I agree the world as we know it has a problem but what if anything are you really going to accomplish but not using plastic straws, or recycling which as I said is a joke?

One of countless reasons I chose to not use plastic straws....


For starters, by not using plastic straws you can be certain your straw didn't end up in a turtles nose, or inside any other animals body, not contributing or being the cause of any animals death. Plastic pollution doesn't compare to war and countless other problems happening right now in the world. In your eyes that makes insignificant, it won't save the world, so why bother at all? But, no matter how small your action my be, it makes a difference.

I recycle and reuse as much as I possibly can. If all I accomplish is saving one turtle from one plastic straw in all my life, it was worth it. If less of my recycle and waste washes up along the coast of India or is sent to landfills in third world countries, etc, it was worth it.

Recycling and/or cutting single-use plastics doesn't hurt anyone, and it's easy.

Voting is not the only way to make a difference.

 

[samnaz]

CO2 is one thing, but plastic ending up in the oceans is another. How does the plastic container I throw in a trash bag end up in the ocean. Shouldn't it be taken and safely put in land fills. How is it getting from under ground to the ocean? It sounds like it is more a failure of municipalities and government than of an individual wanting to use a plastic bag. Although if they still have paper bags, it wouldn't be an issue. Those things practically fall apart the second they get wet. I just think they are more expensive to make, so most companies don't provide them.

You're probably right about companies not offering paper bags because it's more expensive than plastic. More importantly though, most people don't give a crap and often prefer plastic over paper so of course, it's simply a waste of money for businesses to have paper bags. They don't care either.

Good for you for not purposely throwing your plastic bags into the ocean. Really. But, the fact is (and we all know this) your plastic waste is ending up in the ocean, it's not always ending up in a landfill, it's rarely recycled, etc... and it's not your fault. There could be many explanations for why this happens to our waste. As you mentioned, the trash people are failing, it's the government, maybe it's the wind, who knows? All of these things are big and hard/impossible to control.

Instead of wondering how someone else can do something to fix the problem, you could just eliminate it at the source. One paper bag can carry the same weight if not more than one plastic bag, and if not, for gods sake double bag it or just put less groceries in, and stop walking home in the rain......... it's really that simple.

I have a reusable bag I keep on my keys, it holds 30 pounds easy (even in the rain), it's handy, it's easy to use... and the downside is? I can't think of one. I don't understand why more of us don't give a little more than 1% of our effort to help fix the problem when it's so easy!!!! thoughts?