Kole Tang and Ich

[RFLKPTR]

Tank set up for 70 days. Tang added to system at 40 days. 4 Green chromis, 1 diamond goby, 1 purple fire fish. No other fish seem affected yet.

-Symptoms started 7 days after purchase, which leads me to think of ich
-Eating and picking at rock very well still
-Flashing / scratching on rock and sand around sides and head
-pale coloration that comes and goes
-clamped fins at times
-some small white spots that pop in every 5 or 6 days (roughly 79° at all times)
-some shaking of the head
-what seems to be small amounts of mucous on the pectoral fins
-every once in a while you see some rocking in a way that seems like losing balance

My request here is confirmation/validation of treatment for ich and flukes, or other advice.

I will be removing all fish and treating them for 45 days in QT, and leaving the DT fallow for 65.

Thanks, all!

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Tank set up for 70 days. Tang added to system at 40 days. 4 Green chromis, 1 diamond goby, 1 purple fire fish. No other fish seem affected yet.

-Symptoms started 7 days after purchase, which leads me to think of ich
-Eating and picking at rock very well still
-Flashing / scratching on rock and sand around sides and head
-pale coloration that comes and goes
-clamped fins at times
-some small white spots that pop in every 5 or 6 days (roughly 79° at all times)
-some shaking of the head
-what seems to be small amounts of mucous on the pectoral fins
-every once in a while you see some rocking in a way that seems like losing balance

My request here is confirmation/validation of treatment for ich and flukes, or other advice.

I will be removing all fish and treating them for 45 days in QT, and leaving the DT fallow for 65.

Thanks, all!

Sorry, the video is too short for me to see clearly, but ich will show pinhead white spots that come and go, with no other symptoms until the number of spots become greater than about 50 or so. Then the fish will start to act sicker as the numbers increase to the thousands.

Flukes on the other hand are invisible. You just see symptoms like scratching, rapid breathing, rocking, but the fish will still eat. The flukes cause visible skin and fin damage.

Your fish sounds more like flukes, but it is possible for a fish to have both diseases at the same time.

 

[RFLKPTR]

Thanks Jay! Here's another video, this time from a better angle. I put a mirror up so he would do the Adonis things for a minute.

Seconds 45-1:05 really present the best angles I think, and show the spots and on the dorsal and caudal fins, and the mottled slimecoat.

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

Thanks Jay! Here's another video, this time from a better angle. I put a mirror up so he would do the Adonis things for a minute.

Seconds 45-1:05 really present the best angles I think, and show the spots and on the dorsal and caudal fins, and the mottled slimecoat.

I'd consider treating empirically for flukes with praziquantel:

https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/dosing-praziquantel-pzq.1105700/
However, if you start to see discrete, pinhead white spots, you'll need to treat all fish with coppersafe in a tank with no invertebrates in it (ugh).

 

[RFLKPTR]

Awesome, great! I have some PraziPro arriving tomorrow. I see there is a broad range of re-treatment time depending on the species of fluke

 

[vetteguy53081]

Thanks Jay! Here's another video, this time from a better angle. I put a mirror up so he would do the Adonis things for a minute.

Seconds 45-1:05 really present the best angles I think, and show the spots and on the dorsal and caudal fins, and the mottled slimecoat.

Video is dark and need 30 second length utilizing brigh white intensity, no blue

 

[RFLKPTR]

@vetteguy53081 , how is this? Appreciate you.

Of course, the "tomonts" I saw earlier today are gone, and his slimecoat looks uniform with the exception of his pectoral fins.

 

[vetteguy53081]

@vetteguy53081 , how is this? Appreciate you.

Of course, the "tomonts" I saw earlier today are gone, and his slimecoat looks uniform with the exception of his pectoral fins.

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[RFLKPTR]

I'm this format I can do a longer video for next time, if the results are inconclusive

 

[vetteguy53081]

I'm this format I can do a longer video for next time, if the results are inconclusive

I dont see any signs of ich and freezing a couple of frames confirms that. May be grains of sand. Fish also very active as should be. Keep an eye on it, as with ich. any dots would increase in number day by day

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

@vetteguy53081 , how is this? Appreciate you.

Of course, the "tomonts" I saw earlier today are gone, and his slimecoat looks uniform with the exception of his pectoral fins.

I don’t see discrete trophonts/spots in the video, but the pectoral fin cloudiness could be due to very small trophonts that haven’t grown larger yet.

 

[RFLKPTR]

Okay here we go. Every morning he looks like hammered garbage...

Here are some morning shots with no blues. You can see dots and mottling.

 

[RFLKPTR]

@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081

I came home from work today to find him still energetic, but pretty rough looking

Blue light shows the most, so I have supplied both.

 

[vetteguy53081]

@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081

I came home from work today to find him still energetic, but pretty rough looking

Blue light shows the most, so I have supplied both.

These are mucus cones often from a skin irritation and at times are mixed in with ich and Often you will notice other occupants show no signs but recommended is to remove all fish and treat them as well using coppersafe or copper power for a full 30 days at 2.25ppm which they respond to well and add an air stone and monitor copper level with a reliable Copper Test kit such as Hanna Brand- No API brand. Also monitor Ammonia levels while in quarantine with a reliable test kit and add aeration during treatment using an air stone.

 

[RFLKPTR]

Thank you, and I will work to follow your advice!

 

[Jay Hemdal Verified Community Expert]

@Jay Hemdal @vetteguy53081

I came home from work today to find him still energetic, but pretty rough looking

Blue light shows the most, so I have supplied both.

Empirically, you might try treating for flukes - those can make a fish look pale and tattered looking. That aligns with what I thought last week…..