Lighting for Mangroves ?

[A. grandis]

Okay I get it now . I guess you are right . There is really no bennifit of having the two systems plumbed together . Other than more water volume . 20 gallons vs 28 gallons lol . Most people here change that much water weekly .

Also thank you for the link . I am looking for any and all information is can find to give this my best shot . I think halides are the way to go . I can mount them high for plenty or room for growth and should provide all the light/heat the plants will need .

You're welcome.
There is not much more than I wrote to you about mangroves.
You can also plant them in small individual pots with organic soil before you put in the system.
I wouldn't have marine organisms in the same system if I choose that path though.
They are easy plants to keep if you provide their basic needs.
Grandis.

 

[brad908]

This thread is so full of misinformation lol

 

[ewelch]

This thread is so full of misinformation lol

Please enlighten me

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Please enlighten me

It's a green plant. Any light source with the correct spectrum and intensity will work. The souce of the photons does not matter

It is the same with any green plant. Period.

 

[chuck3]

A common sump won't drive down your organics much... but DOES keep you from having to do double salinity checks, double water changes, etc. IMOP it's worth it. Plus, it allows you to grow macroalgae along with your mangroves. The tricky part is a not-too-dirty, not-too-clean system. If you're raising SPS, you need pristine water... too clean for macros. LPS are fine. That's most of what I grow... along with some softies and very tolerant SPS (montis & scroll corals). I run a 60 gallon seaweed cube with a Kessil daylight lamp. Two things to be aware of: you might wanna keep the mangrove roots inside an old container (i.e. a buried plastic coffee container) to keep them from growing way beyond what you expect -- given their foliage -- and bursting your tank. Also, if you grow macros, you can dose a bit of Kent iron to the whole system. Too dirty a system, however -- and macros are more intolerant here -- and you grow nuisance algae that clings to your macros. Phosban really helps here... since you can't have any 'grazers' in your macro tank.

 

[A. grandis]

It's a green plant. Any light source with the correct spectrum and intensity will work. The souce of the photons does not matter

It is the same with any green plant. Period.

I think it does matter very much and it's very important. Specially for the production of UV and the IR.
Also the source of photons does matter a lot because of the energy level of the light source. @32:00
"With lighting the key is balance." changes of energy level and photons.
Another thing related to the plant in question is ambient temperature.
Please don't forget that mangroves are tropical plants.
We can't just apply a bit of physics without taking in consideration biology here.

Here is a reference that might help you understand about the UV @30:50:


Cheers!
grandis.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

I think it does matter very much and it's very important. Specially for the production of UV and the IR.
Also the source of photons does matter a lot because of the energy level of the light source. @32:00
"With lighting the key is balance." changes of energy level and photons.
Another thing related to the plant in question is ambient temperature.
Please don't forget that mangroves are tropical plants.
We can't just apply a bit of physics without taking in consideration biology here.

Here is a reference that might help you understand about the UV @30:50:


Cheers!
grandis.

It does not matter the source ,period.
You may have a preference , but that does not change the facts.

yes he has to keep the plant warm and provide flow too. It's a plant.


That aqticle you read by that guy started this whole conspiracy theory on photons was wrong too. I should have blasted that guy when he published it. The earth is not flat.
We literally have science.

 

[ewelch]

Alright ! Now we're talking conspiracies!

 

[A. grandis]

It does not matter the source ,period.
You may have a preference , but that does not change the facts.

yes he has to keep the plant warm and provide flow too. It's a plant.


That aqticle you read by that guy started this whole conspiracy theory on photons was wrong too. I should have blasted that guy when he published it. The earth is not flat.
We literally have science.

Wow! Blasted what guy?
What article are you talking about, man?

That quote and info is from Tullio Dell Aquila.
Do you really think you know better than him?

Grandis.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Wow! Blasted what guy?
What article are you talking about, man?

That quote and info is from Tullio Dell Aquila.
Do you really think you know better than him?

Grandis.

Nah. That Jeremy gosnell article that set you off.

And I'm pretty advanced as far as light goes. Yes. After close to 30 years in lighting , I've learned a thing or two.

Spreading mis information and half truths not based in fact and making folks pick or decides lighing they cannot sustain or afford is wrong.

Yes, we can all be friends here, have our own way of doing things becuse they actually do all work. Saying they don't becuse it's against your preference is what kept myself and many others out of this hobby for many years. Kant spend 2k in a tank and 3k on light. Too bad. That's he only way to do it mentality.

I do recall and remember scrolling up on threads you had convinced folks to take down the leds they had bought and go buy t5s. Like it was your money or house or credit card bill. Or worse. Wife you have to explain it to.

Like it or not led , even as it's in its infancy has opened the door to a whole new generation of people who are passionate about this hobby. Myself included.

I love metal halide.
I have been working with arc lamps all of my adult life. I have been working with fluro tubes for the same amount of time. I have worked with the engineers and manufacturers of both.
All of my adult life.
I have watched the evolution of luminaries of all types for close to 30 years.

I could not use the MH and t5 right now, I actually have them in my garage right now. Too much heat , too much power. For my house and my wallet.

This hobby has enough challenges without having to put up with blatant and calculated subterfuge that you offer all to often.

Besides that a 250 at 14in would would give him close to full daylight par levels (in his living room) and smoke that mangrove. A150 with a decent reflector at the same heith would give him 600+ par or so and he really only probably needs 200 -300 for 8-10 hours

 

[ewelch]

I can truly appreciate the passion that this hobby brings out in people !

I thank everyone for their info and their opinions here .

I was fortunate enough the reach out to Austin with Aquabox . After all he has an amazing "Mangrove Tank " Pretty much exactly what I have been hoping to achomplish .

He was quick to reapond and he answered all of my questions . Again truly another great aspect to this hobby and the people involved in it .

They are using two of these LED flood lights.

I surely can't argue with his success so I have decided to give one of these a try .

Again thank you everyone for your responses . I'm sure I will be back with more questions as I embark on this journey!

 

[A. grandis]

Nah. That Jeremy gosnell article that set you off.

And I'm pretty advanced as far as light goes. Yes. After close to 30 years in lighting , I've learned a thing or two.

Spreading mis information and half truths not based in fact and making folks pick or decides lighing they cannot sustain or afford is wrong.

Yes, we can all be friends here, have our own way of doing things becuse they actually do all work. Saying they don't becuse it's against your preference is what kept myself and many others out of this hobby for many years. Kant spend 2k in a tank and 3k on light. Too bad. That's he only way to do it mentality.

I do recall and remember scrolling up on threads you had convinced folks to take down the leds they had bought and go buy t5s. Like it was your money or house or credit card bill. Or worse. Wife you have to explain it to.

Like it or not led , even as it's in its infancy has opened the door to a whole new generation of people who are passionate about this hobby. Myself included.

I love metal halide.
I have been working with arc lamps all of my adult life. I have been working with fluro tubes for the same amount of time. I have worked with the engineers and manufacturers of both.
All of my adult life.
I have watched the evolution of luminaries of all types for close to 30 years.

I could not use the MH and t5 right now, I actually have them in my garage right now. Too much heat , too much power. For my house and my wallet.

This hobby has enough challenges without having to put up with blatant and calculated subterfuge that you offer all to often.

Besides that a 250 at 14in would would give him close to full daylight par levels (in his living room) and smoke that mangrove. A150 with a decent reflector at the same heith would give him 600+ par or so and he really only probably needs 200 -300 for 8-10 hours

Well... if you know so much, how come you didn't write an article yet or went to talk to Mr. Jeremy Gosnell?
Go to MACNA and argue with those great speakers. Or better... be a speaker!
Your approach to Mr. Gosnell isn't the best, you know?
Seems like you actually hate him or something... At least that's the impression I'm getting.

I'm not trying to CONVINCE folks in getting T5s, like it's my money.
The same could be said of you and many others when you suggest your LED systems to them, couldn't it?

Experiencing the 3 types of light made me decide what to use and therefore what to suggest according to MY point of view.

I would think that a person like you, with such knowledge and experiences with LED would have the very best LED illuminated tank. Isn't that true? Colors? Growth? Health?
Would you say than that your tank would way surpass any expectancies of health an colors with superb shapes and polyp extension of any system using T5 only, or MH/t5? I am assuming that you know all about water chemistry and so on...

I do hope that would be true and that you are 100% satisfied with your great LED tank, Sr!

I strongly believe that your attitude is a bit harsh and out of order, and your opinions and knowledge are somehow twisted.
I choose to stop arguing because of that. I'm sorry.
With all the respect,

Grandis.

 

[A. grandis]

I can truly appreciate the passion that this hobby brings out in people !

I thank everyone for their info and their opinions here .

I was fortunate enough the reach out to Austin with Aquabox . After all he has an amazing "Mangrove Tank " Pretty much exactly what I have been hoping to achomplish .

He was quick to reapond and he answered all of my questions . Again truly another great aspect to this hobby and the people involved in it .

They are using two of these LED flood lights.

I surely can't argue with his success so I have decided to give one of these a try .

Again thank you everyone for your responses . I'm sure I will be back with more questions as I embark on this journey!

That's an LED lamp. They will survive, of course.
Good luck!!
Grandis.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

Seems like you actually hate him or something...

Nope. He was just wrong. Led to you stating a thread. Folks spreading pseudo science.

Go to MACNA and argue with those great speakers.

Don't need to. I talk to one of them here on R2r and had a beer with another one not long ago.

I'm not trying to CONVINCE folks in getting T5s, l

Not true. Sorry.
I read a lot the threads here. Perhaps you've forgotten some of them in the past and a couple of current ones.


And you should read more of my threads. Budget first. Lifestyle second. Science Always. I can, by memory tell you how all three types emit photons and why they are that color. I care about the success of the reefer who's asking.


My tank is average at best like many others. I'd like to experiment more. But it won't be happening soon.

I'm here on the journey with everyone else who wants to know more.

Be well sir.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

I can truly appreciate the passion that this hobby brings out in people !

I thank everyone for their info and their opinions here .

I was fortunate enough the reach out to Austin with Aquabox . After all he has an amazing "Mangrove Tank " Pretty much exactly what I have been hoping to achomplish .

He was quick to reapond and he answered all of my questions . Again truly another great aspect to this hobby and the people involved in it .

They are using two of these LED flood lights.

I surely can't argue with his success so I have decided to give one of these a try .

Again thank you everyone for your responses . I'm sure I will be back with more questions as I embark on this journey!

Sorry to blow up your thread.

Fwiw, you can grow a reef with those too. I've seen it done.

 

[A. grandis]

Nah. That Jeremy gosnell article that set you off.

And I'm pretty advanced as far as light goes. Yes. After close to 30 years in lighting , I've learned a thing or two.

Spreading mis information and half truths not based in fact and making folks pick or decides lighing they cannot sustain or afford is wrong.

Yes, we can all be friends here, have our own way of doing things becuse they actually do all work. Saying they don't becuse it's against your preference is what kept myself and many others out of this hobby for many years. Kant spend 2k in a tank and 3k on light. Too bad. That's he only way to do it mentality.

I do recall and remember scrolling up on threads you had convinced folks to take down the leds they had bought and go buy t5s. Like it was your money or house or credit card bill. Or worse. Wife you have to explain it to.

Like it or not led , even as it's in its infancy has opened the door to a whole new generation of people who are passionate about this hobby. Myself included.

I love metal halide.
I have been working with arc lamps all of my adult life. I have been working with fluro tubes for the same amount of time. I have worked with the engineers and manufacturers of both.
All of my adult life.
I have watched the evolution of luminaries of all types for close to 30 years.

I could not use the MH and t5 right now, I actually have them in my garage right now. Too much heat , too much power. For my house and my wallet.

This hobby has enough challenges without having to put up with blatant and calculated subterfuge that you offer all to often.

Besides that a 250 at 14in would would give him close to full daylight par levels (in his living room) and smoke that mangrove. A150 with a decent reflector at the same heith would give him 600+ par or so and he really only probably needs 200 -300 for 8-10 hours

Nope. He was just wrong. Led to you stating a thread. Folks spreading pseudo science.


Don't need to. I talk to one of them here on R2r and had a beer with another one not long ago.


Not true. Sorry.
I read a lot the threads here. Perhaps you've forgotten some of them in the past and a couple of current ones.


And you should read more of my threads. Budget first. Lifestyle second. Science Always. I can, by memory tell you how all three types emit photons and why they are that color. I care about the success of the reefer who's asking.


My tank is average at best like many others. I'd like to experiment more. But it won't be happening soon.

I'm here on the journey with everyone else who wants to know more.

Be well sir.

No hard feelings.
Let's keep moving.
Be well.
Grandis.

 

[saltyfilmfolks]

No hard feelings.
Let's keep moving.
Be well.
Grandis.

You too

 

[TerraFerma]

I've had the mangrove in this pic for not quite a year. Had one set of leaves when I got it; has four sets now and is about to sprout a 5th. I'm told that is pretty decent growth for a mangrove. Mine lives off my DIY LED tank light which is 95% royal blue. I used to rely mostly on a Kessil 160W tuna blue but the growth really seemed to take off when I switched to the DIY fixture.

 

[mcarroll]

I was fortunate enough the reach out to Austin with Aquabox . After all he has an amazing "Mangrove Tank " Pretty much exactly what I have been hoping to achomplish .

He was quick to reapond and he answered all of my questions .

You can't leave your thread hanging like this – what'd he say???? :)

 

[ewelch]

You can't leave your thread hanging like this – what'd he say???? :)

So this is what I've decided to do . After talking to Austin I'm going to use one of the LED flood lights I listed above , that Austin recommended . I think it will be more than enough , worst case I will hang the 175w halide I have on hand over it.

I have also decided to plumb it into my main tank . Not because I think the main tank will benifit from the Mangrove but I think the Mangrove and myself will benifit from the main tank . One ATO , one heater (well actually two in the main tank) , one set of daily test. This should really help to keep the Mangrove tank clean and clutter free also.

I will most likely start a small build thread but here is a little teaser . Here is the Mangrove I grew out in freshwater and have been acclimating to SW over the past few months .