Marineland 200DD Failure......take 2

Lowell Lemon

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[QUOTE="stunreefer,

As a professional installer of thirteen years I can say that both have potential to fail over time. I've covered several acrylic tank failures from leading vendors in the US. A proper tank of either material never explodes. These days you have to twist my arm hard to have us install an acrylic aquarium, unless it's a very, very large.[/QUOTE]

I think we are on the same page with proper tank design.

Major manufactures have used thin glass and acrylic for years due to industry research that shows the average lifespan of an aquarium to be two years and under before it ends up in a yard sale or empty. My early failure was due to following the lead of "major" manufacturers who shall remain nameless. Once I increased the thickness of the panels and made our own solvent mix the tanks were much better. If I were to go out and do it again today I would use the formulas listed in stresses and strains 5th addition for the minimal thickness.

Glass or acrylic is a choice. I chose acrylic because my insurance company would not cover glass tank manufacturing at the time (1986-2008) but would cover acrylic. So their experiance rating says something about acrylic versus glass. Also the major public aquariums are acrylic for a reason. Even the largest viewing panels in the world are acrylic for a reason. Strength, clarity and impact resistance are the reasons.

A majority of acrylic aqariums for sale through the industry will bow like a football due to the choice of the buying public wanting the cheapest tank they can buy. I can't recall how many posters here get all giddy about the dollar a gallon sale at Petco and Petsmart but are upset when the tanks leak...go figure.

There is value in building something right and most people refuse to spend the money. Thankfully there are companies like ADA, Reefsavvy and others who choose to make the best product they can. The price is on the upper end for a reason. You get what you pay for often enough that the lowest bidder is probably not the best choice.

I installed hundreds of aquariums by companies no longer in business and that is why I spent the time and money to build my own brand all those years. I only stopped because of the lack of quality product through the distributors after NAFTA. There are only two actual manufacturers of cell cast acrylic still in production in the United States. Of those only one makes the best product for the purpose. But you have to special order everything because the distributors of plastic sheet only stock and sell the cheap import stuff. I have spent 6 months trying to find a distributor who will stock the product and no one will. Again price trumps quality. At the same time I have been pricing low iron glass and equipment. Reading this thread makes me rethink the whole thing over again. Maybe I will be content to build tanks only for my own use in the future. Something to think about.
 
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False. You can't waive your liability. If he filed a claim against his homeowners you can bet they will be going after Marineland. Most areas have what is known as Implied Warranty which trumps a manufacturers warranty.

That is why you will find a published limited warranty with each tank manufacturer. It describes the limits of the warranty. I know the Homeowners could attempt to subrogate the claim with the insurance company of the tank manufacturer. In the end the policy value and experiance rating with the homeowner will determine how much time the insurance company will spend chasing the claim. Insurance companies are like water and seek the path of least resistance. If they can increase the insured's rates to cover their loss they will. Implied Warranty is only good if someone implies more than the expressed and limited warranty covers. Hey, but anything can and does happen in a court of law and often does. If you know what I mean.

Aquariums like most things have a limited useful life and then they should be replaced...even buildings experiance this that is why we have depreciation schedules for all fixed and non-fixed assets. Nothing and I mean nothing built by human hands lasts forever. In the end it is better to not draw attorney's and shoot each other.
 

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So sorry for you and your family's loss, I wish there was a better way to to welcome you to R2R. Welcome to the forum and I hope that there will be a soon, bright light at the end of the tunnel.
 

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man. the odds of it happening twice are slim to none.

ive seen a lot of marineland dd issues lately. i personally didnt like the design and opted for the 265. - which ive read some bottom seal failures there too

as far as acrylic vs glass goes. if the tank is over 300g ill go for acrylic, otherwise i stay with glass.
 

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Strange that you had two failures, is the stand a mainland stand? you have to wonder if there is an issue with the installation location, house is settling ext.
 

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Sorry for you and your family's loss and frustration. I feel your pain having just went through this with a 300dd bottom seam spitting.
Marineland was very accommodating during my failure. Hoping you get the same treatment from them.
 
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Strange that you had two failures, is the stand a mainland stand? you have to wonder if there is an issue with the installation location, house is settling ext.

Marineland Stand....Basement so under the wood floor it's concrete...actually on you tube there is a video of a guy with the same issue with 300DD failing twice.....I had a chat on the weekend with Mark....Saltwater Tank....he came to me and ask....hey your tank failure ? was it from Marineland DD Tank ? my answer was why ? and got a reply of......There has been an issue with those tank....
 

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Marineland Stand....Basement so under the wood floor it's concrete...actually on you tube there is a video of a guy with the same issue with 300DD failing twice.....I had a chat on the weekend with Mark....Saltwater Tank....he came to me and ask....hey your tank failure ? was it from Marineland DD Tank ? my answer was why ? and got a reply of......There has been an issue with those tank....

I hope mine stays together I am @ 18 months
 
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First one failed after 3 months....this one 18 months....local refer and buddy 300DD was a goner after 2 years.....good luck
 

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Sorry to hear about the bad tank. I personally wouldn't buy anything Marineland since all the problems I had with their visitherm heaters. Went thru at least a dozen of them and not one lasting more than a couple of months. Live and learn.
 

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That said I know of three people who have a 300DD tank for over 5 years and going strong, I think there are an awful lot of these tanks out in the market place and if the rate of failure was high they would have withdrawn them from the market. The reality is tanks fail from every fabricator glass or acrylic Mainland is not unique, it would be nice to have a sense of the relative % of failure.
 

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First one failed after 3 months....this one 18 months....local refer and buddy 300DD was a goner after 2 years.....good luck
Hi, I know it's a while since this happened. Just curious what happened at the end. Did ML pay for all the damages?
 
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Everything got settle in the spring of 2018...only after I wrote to the CEO of Liberty Mutual and the CEO of United Pet Group (Parent Company of Marineland) ...made them an offer settle now of face the consequence of publishing the file and the proof and the video's.....of the cause of the failure and documenting other issues similar to mine with the same model or similar DD Marineland Tank.....at the end they pay for everything but it took time.
 

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What a tragedy and not just once but twice. I'm glad to see you are still keeping up with this thread, does this mean you are still active in the hobby? I hope so and wish you all success in the future.
 

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What a tragedy and not just once but twice. I'm glad to see you are still keeping up with this thread, does this mean you are still active in the hobby? I hope so and wish you all success in the future.
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Everything got settle in the spring of 2018...only after I wrote to the CEO of Liberty Mutual and the CEO of United Pet Group (Parent Company of Marineland) ...made them an offer settle now of face the consequence of publishing the file and the proof and the video's.....of the cause of the failure and documenting other issues similar to mine with the same model or similar DD Marineland Tank.....at the end they pay for everything but it took time.
Thanks for answering. #1 are u still in the hobby? #2 did ML pay for all the damage that it caused including live stock or just the tank?
 

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