Micro Scrubbing Bubbles.

[Greenstreet.1]

It's not a lot but want to get them from now

 

[Thales]

Self closing tweezers are great for valonia in hard to reach places
http://www.amazon.com/TWEEZERS-Lock...8425817&sr=8-1&keywords=tweezers+self+closing

 

[Greenstreet.1]

Thanks got those lol

 

[Thales]

I also like a foxface.

 

[Greenstreet.1]

I also like a foxface.

Yes they are the best for it but it would be hard to add a foxface to many bad boys in the tank I'm afraid they may cause his end.

 

[Greenstreet.1]

If they are on my next list I may order one and try him in my acc box for a week to see what happens.

 

[ReefLEDLights]

For everyone that is hesitant or saying anything against it...whats the harm? No one is making money off this by providing any claims and at the end of the day all it is is bubbles.

I'll bet someone is trying to make money of this concept.

My primary concern is in the common Reef Aquarium, all the bubbles could be harmful to the sponges in the cryptic zones of your tank....

If one has a huge system partitioning off a section might be worth a try. That said given proper flow and skimming, this scrubbing bubble concept, might do more harm if one has a large population of sponges and sea squirts hidden in the live rock.

Bill

 

[eatbreakfast]

I'll bet someone is trying to make money of this concept.

My primary concern is in the common Reef Aquarium, all the bubbles could be harmful to the sponges in the cryptic zones of your tank....

If one has a huge system partitioning off a section might be worth a try. That said given proper flow and skimming, this scrubbing bubble concept, might do more harm if one has a large population of sponges and sea squirts hidden in the live rock.

Bill

But what about the observations of those that have used it and their sponges are still intact/growing?

 

[CoralNerd]

But what about the observations of those that have used it and their sponges are still intact/growing?

My purple plating sponge looks the same, no change in the one month I have used the bubbles.

 

[The Macro Guy]

I feel there alot of people grabbing at straws to either make microscrubbing seem negative, or just arguing to argue because they don't want to try it, I don't know? I'm surprised at the amount of push back from something that doesn't cost over $100 and is reef related lol.

There is no way to 100% pinpoint the claims made by EC without thousands of dolllars in research and testing and isolating, but there are plenty of people who will dump a new chemical in their tanks that has passed ZERO fda testing or even bothers to include the chemicals on the bottles, just cause it says it will color up corals or clear water, etc.

There is no money or ploy to be made from microscrubbing, it is essentially free source code, you need a wood or fine ceramic air stone and an air pump on a timer.

As far as benefits, it's somewhat simple to figure out,

-Stable PH throughout the entire tanks cycle, day and night, low CO2 build up at night. So what benefits from stable PH and no CO2 build up? The list would go on for pages.

-Less organics in the water column. So what benefits when the tank has low nitrates,phosphates, and not alot of particles floating around to bind to the particles your sps and corals eat?

-More O2 for live stock. Everything life form wise benefits from a little more oxygen, people included, what's to say the same does not benefit our corals and fish? So now we need a list of all the benefits from more oxygen.

I wish I could give everyone detailed analysis, statistics, videos, samples, and certified scientist in a white coat to come point out stuff on an Excel Graph chart, but I can't. All I can say is try it? If you don't see any improvement or notice any changes, then stop .

I will say without a doubt, I believe my parameters stay stable because I'm Microscrubbing. 40 clownfish fed 4 times a day, 20 nems, sps colonies, lps tons of micro fauna, and a 20% water change once a month.

Happy reefing!! It's all about learning and trying new things. Who would've thought that 10 years ago an LED fixture would've been enough to grow SPS?

 

[Thales]

How about a simple side by side trial?
There are dozens or hundreds of ideas that people champion - should people try all of them? Only the inexpensive ones?
Were all your animals dying and doing poorly before you started bubbling?

 

[The Macro Guy]

Sponges, Clams all fine. I was actually worried at one point, because I wasn't sure if it was normal to have so many visible sponges and tunicates in a system. The clam actually sits in a spot where most of the bubbles gather up.

 

[alten78]

I started this tonight, even if just for the added water clarity. I dont think I'm getting enough bubbles, though. Just using a cheap Tetra 30-60 gallon airpump and airstone directly under the return.

Been running for about an hour but only saw the bonsai slime up, everything else seems unaffected.

 

[Thales]

Why do people think it is good for corals to slime up?

 

[The Macro Guy]

I started this tonight, even if just for the added water clarity. I dont think I'm getting enough bubbles, though. Just using a cheap Tetra 30-60 gallon airpump and airstone directly under the return.

Been running for about an hour but only saw the bonsai slime up, everything else seems unaffected.

Looks like a good amount to me, just remember you want to run this at night when CO2 build up is the highest. If you have a skimmer, just check the skimmate after a couple days, if it's much darker than usual you have enough bubbles going. Also remember that sometimes the amount of bubbles forming will be determined by how much organics is in your water too. If you generally run a sterile tank, you won't get alot of bubble accumulation unless you are forcing alot of air from the airstone.

 

[The Macro Guy]

Why do people think it is good for corals to slime up?

I think it's the idea of keeping gunk off of their surface on a daily basis, rather than the corals blowing alot of energy and resources at once when alot of gunk or algae has built up them? The results are extended periods of polyp extension. I have Digitata growing like weeds and I can barely see the base skin because of the polyp extension. One side of my tank gets hit with more bubbles than the other, and the Digitata on the opposite end doesn't have nearly as much polyp extension.

Edit: Also remember, after awhile the corals will not slime up anymore, or as much as the first few days of micro bubbling.

 

[ReefLEDLights]

But what about the observations of those that have used it and their sponges are still intact/growing?

This is what forums are supposed to do. Allow Informed Discussion...

I cannot say I'm a Harvard League Marine Biologist. But I am well read and would like to know the benefits.

To determine the benefits one has to do a closed regulated study...Even an engineer would agree...

By not doing so jumping to conclusions or following the latest fad does not tend well to your captive reef ecosystem...

Given the fact that the Micro Scrubbing Bubbles are very similar to the surf environment. I hope Steve Tyree voices his opinion as he has classified filtration as tri zonal....

Bill

 

[redwingrob40]

Interesting topic, it seems like a very simple setup. For those of you running this method, do you run the air pump through your apex or just a cheap timer? Really thinking of giving this a try and seeing if it has any benefits for my tank.

 

[The Macro Guy]

Interesting topic, it seems like a very simple setup. For those of you running this method, do you run the air pump through your apex or just a cheap timer? Really thinking of giving this a try and seeing if it has any benefits for my tank.

$5 manual homedepot timer.

 

[redwingrob40]

$5 manual homedepot timer.

Thanks tried the apex but it wasn't working, cheap timer FTW!!!